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you would have got your answers if you had done some research or simple reading into modern sikh history. Sant Jarnail Singh was in the Golden Temple as part of the Dharam Yudh morcha, as were all the Akali Leaders. They were there for a specific purpose. As events unfolded, it became impossible for Sant Ji to leave, and even further down the line, it was wiser that he hadnt left, as indira had already made up her mind to attack the Sikhs with the indian ravan sena. As for the Golden Temple not being a place for fighting wars, i would really recommend that you read Sikh history.

Isn't it time to get out of our enslaved mentality and stop referring June 84 as Operation Bluestar? Operation Bluestar was the name given by the attackers so why do we (Sikhs) still use that reference...I personally believe that as a kaum we should be referring to the attack as the Battle of Amritsar 1984.

an excellent observation. also, i would like to add that indira also approached a Sikh infantry unit, which were wholly from a "low-caste" because she thought they would hate the "jatt Sikhs" and attack Darbar Sahib. But their commanding officer refused to carry out an attack on "his own people" and his "own gurdwara".

Great video speaking the truth. A man who sticks by his word and lives true as a Khalsa will live on until the end of time! Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale the equivalent of Baba Deep Singh Ji. Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale may not have been "educated" like many of us know education to be, but he was a very sharp and intelligent. He was also surrounded by intellectuals like Bhai Amrik Singh and countless others who knew what was brewing. Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale had known (if not exactly), but overall that most of the people were crooks and knew the path he was treading would eventually lead to shaheedi, but he also knew it would inspire generations to come for taking such a stand against justice that it shook India. The embodiment of Sant Sipahi and roop of a Khalsa - Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale.

Main v ithe fasgyi lol. Hor koi forum labea ni chaj da, te na samj aundi ki likde rende horaa te ini. Nale das saal laadinde jwaab dehn nu koi dusre forums te.

and to the serious point aasaa mehalaa 5 || bhee paraapath maanukh dhaehureeaa || gobi(n)dh milan kee eih thaeree bareeaa || avar kaaj thaerai kithai n kaam || mil saadhhasa(n)gath bhaj kaeval naam ||1|| sara(n)jaam laag bhavajal tharan kai || janam brithhaa jaath ra(n)g maaeiaa kai ||1|| rehaao || jap thap sa(n)jam dhharam n kamaaeiaa || saevaa saadhh n jaaniaa har raaeiaa || kahu naanak ham neech kara(n)maa || saran parae kee raakhahu saramaa ||2||4|| Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: This human body has been given to you. This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universe. Nothing else will work. Join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy; vibrate and meditate on the Jewel of the Naam. ||1|| Make every effort to cross over this terrifying world-ocean. You are squandering this life uselessly in the love of Maya. ||1||Pause|| I have not practiced meditation, self-discipline, self-restraint or righteous living. I have not served the Holy; I have not acknowledged the Lord, my King. Says Nanak, my actions are contemptible! O Lord, I seek Your Sanctuary; please, preserve my honor! ||2||4|| YOU READ IT EVERY DAY!!!

I would think the Mool Mantar. Start from the beginning! :biggrin2:

Yes the attack was planned 18 months before according to General S.K. Sinha, Dr. Subraniam Swami, Mark Tully, A.R. Darshi and other independent sources. A model was in built in the Chakrata valley in Doon cantonment. If there really had been weapons as the starter of this thread says being stock piled three years before then the operation would have been launched sooner. It must be a very stupid author who wrote the book our friend read, three years before is just ridiculous. Even Indira herself never said this. She only said that the attack was to be launched because she had apparently intercepted a letter in Sant Ji's hands regarding him planning to kill all the Hindus in Punjab on June 5th. Again if weapons had been stock piled three years before then there would have been more than the 241 militants in Darbar Sahib who gave shaheedi. As faras I know even that fool K.S. Brar doesn't give credence to this. Three years before is highly improbable. Why did the Indian state wait for the situation to deteriorate and then act? While knowing there were weapons being stockpiled in Darbar Sahib. And there must surely have been security arrangements to protect these weapons. What were they?

It all depends on whose side of the story you read. India is bound to demonize him but they have many inconsistencies in their narrative. At times they say he was in Darbar Sahib from November 1983 at others in beginning of June. They lie. He was in the Akal Takhat which is the Sikh parliament. He and the Akalis were in there planning for advancement of Dharam Yudh Morcha. Indira however wanted to win the votes by portraying Sikhs as violent and communal. Hence she and the para military forces started murdering civilians as well as Sant Ji's men in Punjab to garner a reaction from him. They also used the media to whitewash their acts and say Sant Ji was murdering Hindus. It soon became apparent one way or another they were going to attack Sikhs. And how do you do that? You take a page out of Abdali's book and attack Darbar Sahib. Sant Ji and his men had piled sandbags and constructed a few fortifications, eyewitness accounts attest to their good behavior. The attack however was deliberate. Of course General Brar claims the militants released a few "hostages" but why are those people not speaking out for him? Especially since so many are speaking out for Sant Ji? In the spirit of Baba Gurbax Singh Ji's actions Sant Ji decided to defend Darbar Sahib. Here are a few things to consider regarding your info: 1.) Why did the Indian state let them stockpile weapons for three years? 2.) Who provided these weapons? 3.) Despite having so many weapons why was the army there for a week? Why not longer? 4.) Why only weapons? Why not food? 5.) The police and army had so many opportunities to arrest Sant Ji. Why didn't they? 6.) If really so many weapons had been stockpiled where is the proof? Photographs etc. 7.) Three years is a long time for any weaponry to be lying idle. And so many people went to visit Akal Takhat and Darbar Sahib. Why didn't anyone speak out then? Why not the jathedars, sevadars and sangat? Why not the Akalis themselves who were always suing for a peaceful situation? 8.) Sant Ji in none of his speeches indicates this. Why? He could easily have used it as a lever to make the Indian state listen to him. Regarding senseless I advice that you undertake research from a Sikh perspective and you will really see the reality behind senseless. Brother Bijla Singh's article will be helpful if you read Punjabi. This is the first time I am hearing about something three years prior. The Indian state cannot be that lazy. And please do read about wars and Harmandir Sahib. Whats more more than 20 other gurudwaras were attacked that day and government is mum over them. That too in face of the fact that there were no terrorists in those gurudwaras how do you explain that? On September 1981 Sant Ji offered voluntary arrest and was detained for 25 days. If weapons really had been stockpiled in the time you give Indian state would not have let him go. And this was officially before he entered Nanak Niwas in Darbar Sahib. Even the d.c. of Punjab at the time stated that arresting Bhindranwale would not be hard, even if it meant going in Darbar Sahib. And then you have General S.K. Sinha who refused to lead the attack. There are also many other factors to consider. Books on Sant Ji are written with many goals in mind. Indian one is simple, to demonize him. And Damdami Taksal is the name of the Sikh university and it is located at Mehta Chowk Gurudwara Gurdarshan Prakash.

Sant Harnam Singh Ji Meets Jesus, Mohammed And Bhrighu Rishi JESUS CHRIST, MOHAMED SAHIB AND BHRIGU RISHI JI APPEAR IN A VISION One day Baba Ji was in deep meditation when Jesus Christ, Mohammed Sahib and Bhrigu Rishi Ji together, appeared before him. Their faces were radiant and had spiritually bright auras around their heads. After blessing Baba Ji with this vision Hazrat Mohammed Sahib Ji spoke, ‘‘You are blessed and truly fortunate to whom Guru Nanak Dev Ji has shown the direct and easy method to attain enlightenment of Almighty God especially in this age of kalyug. The followers of the Great Guru Nanak Dev are not deriving the full benefit of his teachings.” After this, Bhrigu Rishi Ji spoke, ”In our times, we had to undergo hard penance and rigorous spiritual austerities in order to achieve enlightenment. The whole life of a man was spent in meditation and making offerings to God and even then, union with God was hard to achieve. The true nectar of naam which great Guru Nanak Dev Ji has brought for his Sikhs is remarkable; even we could not obtain this boon of naam. No doubt we amassed great spiritual and miraculous powers through rigorous meditation and penance, including powers to curse or bless anyone, but we were still deprived of the nectar of naam.” Jesus Christ just said simply, ”It is my inner desire that my followers one day adopt the path shown by great Guru Nanak Dev Ji.” Saying these words, all three prophets disappeared.

The simplest answer is he didnt use it as a sanctuary, the attack was pre-planned, i think a whole year before they actually attacked. He was protecting it.

Indira was like a dictator, minister were like puppets,always ready to please her as was the President ,Zail Singh. It makes it even more outstanding that General Sinha stood upto Indira. He sounds a bit like the Nawab of Malerkotla who advised the Mughal ruler against the execution of the Sahibzadas, whilst the Hindu Ministers were in favour of the Sahibzadas execution. You can put Brar and Dyal in their place. Interesting that Gen Sunderji was so blinded in becoming a Field Marshal ( highest army position) he was willing do anything and led the attack, on his death bed Sinha states Sunderji was unable to speak or write. He gestured to his face , meaning beard , Sinha took this as a reference to Bluestar. A few hours later Sunderji was dead. Interesting facts in this interview on how many plans were avaible to prevent bloodshed that should be publicised.

Salute to Lt Gen Sinha...true warrior .!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc-p22QPA3k the kirpan just needs to be sharp. just learn how to use it effectivly, learn boxing etc. too or karate. if you are going through a rough area show the kirpan a bit. people ARE scared. keys can be used as a weapon, even my baaj (thing you use to tuck hair into the pagh) can be used to hurt people (person experience ).

^^^ utter rubbish, bhai sahib yogi bhajan had the utmost respect for sant ji, he agreed with sant ji's ideals and objective but knew how sant ji would be betrayed and possibly not be very successful in terms of quick achievment of Khalsa Raj, and therefore didnt want sant ji to obtain shaheedi. This is all EXTREMELY clear from the mouth of yogi bhajan himself in this video. takes awhile to get into it. around 9:30. (an excellent video as well! really displays how we are our own worst enemy, no one else!)Sikh "leadership" is a joke!

I agree with what you are talking about which is sargun (duality) and nirgun (non duality) but everyone pretty much knows the sargun aspect but getting to the immortal route deathless nirgun path not many know and this can only be done by knowing your non dual self. To get to the non dual self you must disappear; annihilation of the ego/self and this requires the ultimate knowledge and no stage process or practice will get you there - because it in itself is pathless/ experience less/ perceiver-less. So teaching other stages or some sort of practice becomes a hurdle in this acknowledgement of nirgun. Yes you are right that sargun and nirgun are two aspects of god anyway they appear to be two because of consciousness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFoWvv7Sqoc

It's not duality if looked in from a non durmat perspective - both parts of the same tuk don't necessarily mean stages but an understanding an acknowledgement from the ego. Bhagat kabir negates himself in the tuk but only through gian although even if looked from a perspective of an agani still he apperceives duality but still he is also one. The question then become who has caused the ignorance? Namo andkarai - and the source is still one and the same - no duality. Of course in sargun the mind perceives duality also even for a gyani his/her mind is still dual when conscious but he knows his inner nature and the one light behind the illusion.

So why do u think there is still a separation and hence two? If you know there is ek onkar, who is the phd student and high school kid. Realisation is for everyone, irrespective of age. sants will keep you japping until u are on your death bed and still have no gyan whatsoever. So what u waiting for, for your next life? Know now that this body/mind isn't you and its actions are god's.

why worry about japping. Find out who is japping. The reason that u jap waheguru all day long is to realise that u were always god and see god is to be god. There is no separation, this leads to misery.

I stuffed my answer bad lol :D Woooops

Oops. :blush2: I was reading something about the moon in another browser window and I got my words mixed up.

mega bump :D...it be nice if people revisit the video above..!!

To answer your question, puran Brahmgiani Baba Harnam Singh Buchon Kala Wale have already taken janam in a certain country along with many other mahaan Gursikhs such as Bhai Uday Singh Jee, and are doing their kamaii. They will be part of the fauj lead by Sant Jarnail Singh and four other singhs. Sant Jee has a duty by Dasmey Patshaah to do fateh over the laal kila before giving shahaadat. After that Khalsa Raaj will be lead by panj kamaii wale singhs. Nindaks and cynics can doubt all they want but time will soon show what the truth is.

Invasion of Amritsar 1984.

What's in a name? A lot. An entire perspective or viewpoint can be gleaned from a title. 'Operation' is cold, clinical. It infers a well planned operation to flush out terrorists. 'Battle' gives a picture of two sides fighting a battle to the death. 'Attack on Amritsar' would indicate one side using excessive force. Renaming it long overdue but I don't think it serves much purpose. So much effort is put into exacting revenge (anti sikhi) and talking about the sacrifices of shaheeds. Yes it is important not to forget the tragic past, but I think Sikhs need to move on from the victim mentality and start thinking about what they want from the future and exploit the global shift towards greater human rights to achieve their aims. Concerted efforts should be made towards gaining rights and freedoms. Sikhs lead the 20th century Indian independence struggle with the Ghadar movement etc which lead to a step change in rights and freedoms. We can do it again. I understand that this may be uncomfortable for people to read but it is worth thinking about.

for that please read this by Shri Dasam pita !! http://i.imgbox.com/abduaAAO.jpg ================================================

Taking Amrit doesn't wash away your sins. It's not a magical potion. Neither is doing pesh. If you can go pesh whenever you mess up, then that defeats the point of Amrit. What's done is done. Learn from your mistake. The OP is an example of someone taking Amrit before they are ready.

You hit the nail on the head their VEER JI!!!

LOL will the Moon Mantar get you to the moon??

The text of the letter at the URL given in post#1 above. Source: http://www.panjabtim...o.uk/news/1857/ Brar was a war criminal and had perpetuated crimes against humanity and genocide – SCUK October 10, 2012 RT HON HUGO SWIRE – PUBLIC STATEMENT ON ACCUSED WAR CRIMINAL GENERAL BRAR & MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE The Sikh CouncilUKrepresents the interests of European Sikhs and on behalf of the Sikh Community we would like to categorically state that Sikhism is a faith that stands for justice and being accountable for actions. In the midst of the unravelling crime investigation related to General Brar, we would like to confirm the Sikh community’s support towards crimes being dealt with through a fair investigative and just legal process. We were therefore greatly disappointed to read your comments in the Mail Online India on 6 October 2012, where you were cited as follows: “Hugo Swire termed the attack on Brar unacceptable and appalling.’It (the attack on Brar) is of great concern to the United Kingdom.’We don’t want these people here exporting their terrorist views because they represent a real threat to people in the UK apart from anything else. ’It is regarded as being as unacceptable and despicable as people in India do. These things are taken very seriously by this government. ’General Brar was appallingly attacked. It would be wrong for me to comment (further) till we know who the perpetrators are,’ Swire said.” The Indian Government and Mr Brar in expansive interviews with the UK and Indian media have been widely quoted stating that Sikh ‘terrorists’ or Sikhs who want their own country carried out the attack as retribution for his Military role oppressing them. The label “Khalistani” or “Sikh terrorist” is loosely used to describe an era of Sikh/state relations that have caused international organisations to query the Indian States conduct with Sikhs since 1947. Whilst SCUK condemns violence, the reaction to the assault in the context of Sikhs, did require better handling. We understand that on 2 October 2012, US human rights organisation Ensaaf (www.ensaaf.org) supported by UK human rights organisations and UK lawyers made an application to the Crown Prosecution Service, Special Crime and Counter Terrorism Division (SCCTD) for consent to an Arrest Warrant for Mr Brar in relation to war crimes, crimes against humanity, torture and hostage taking. This may be known to you. In their application they cited extensive reports and evidence that Gen. Brar was a war criminal and had perpetuated crimes against humanity and genocide. The application could not proceed as an emergency application because Mr Brar’s departure was “imminent” and there was no Judge available to issue an arrest warrant past 5pm. The matter is now with SO15. Unfortunately the Government has made the process for arresting war criminals in theUKlonger and harder with the requirement that the DPP pre-consent to arrest warrants for foreign nationals. We are aware it may be politically difficult for the state when foreigners from friendly states are arrested in theUKfor international crimes. However, to avoid political repercussions we would have thought making the process more independent of politicians and subject to appeal to the ECHR or other international courts or tribunals would assist both the state in showing the process is independent of politicians and bringing to justice those accused of international crimes. We attach our previous letter to the Foreign Office on India, which you may have seen. Please also see Army pictures of Operation Blue Star led by Mr Brar on www.sikhgenocide.org. In short, we find it difficult to believe you did not know that organisations from Amnesty to Human Rights Watch want to prosecute Mr Brar for international crimes. To many he is the “state terrorist” face of torture and mass murder. Would you call an assault on a Nazi war criminal or Osama Bin Laden allegedly by his victims “appalling”, “unacceptable” and “despicable” and done by “these people” or a provoked attack? Mr Brar is accused of more extensive crimes than Bin Laden. You may also be interested to know that British Sikhs are amongst his victims and they were disappointed to read your reported comments sympathising with Brar. We thought arresting war criminals was what should be of “great concern” toBritain given we are taking military action in the name of human rights and removing tyrants. As you may know, in 1984, Lt Gen. Brar led an Indian Army assault under press blackout not just on the GoldenTemple, but on 38 Sikh Gurdwaras in Punjab, Indiain “Operation Blue Star”. Human rights reports show the attack was planned over a year in advance and was not to arrest “terrorists” for whom no arrest warrant was every issued, “[The deputy commissioner of Amritsar]…had categorically informed the highest officials of the Punjab government that if they wanted to arrest Bhindrawale, there would be no major difficulty in organising it” – Reduced to Ashes (2003). The day was a Sikh holy day and Gurdwaras were full; 70,000 Indian troops launched an organised campaign of murder and terror against Sikhs who had been agitating for equal economic treatment with Hindu majority states as set out in the Anandpur Resolution crafted by a Sikh Cambridge graduate. Balram Jakhar, former Indian Cabinet Minister & Speaker of the Indian Parliament, had stated, “To preserve the unity of India, if we have to eradicate 20 million Sikhs, we will do so.” Thousands of men, women and children were terrorised, killed, raped and tortured as the Indian Army made Sikh Gurdwaras cages of blood. Many Sikhs have been killed in “false encounters”, where the state fabricates evidence (see human rights reports). In what UNESCO has cited as one of the worst acts of “cultural genocide”, the Army burnt the Sikh Reference Library. Thousands Sikhs also “disappeared” in state action between 1984-1996 when Mr Brar was Lt. Gen. REDRESS, Ensaaf and the Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at New York University School of Law in a letter to the United Nations Working Group on Enforced and Involuntary Disappearances stated: “India’s judicial and human rights institutions have systematically failed to provide truth, justice… India has refused to conduct investigations into these “disappearances,” withheld the names of perpetrators, and failed to provide reparations or guarantees of non-recurrence to survivors… Without international pressure and censure, India will not investigate these “disappearances” or otherwise provide an effective remedy to the survivors.” One of Mr Brar’s British victims was 17 years old and says he saw him order troops to conduct extra-judicial killings of civilians. He states he was rounded up, tortured and jailed without trial for 5 years. Civilians were locked in Gurdwaras for days, many died, it is reported those that begged the Army for water were told to drink the mixture of blood and urine on the floor. British citizens like him, and human beings generally, deserve the right not to have individuals accused of international crimes characterised as good guys hunting terrorists. It is disappointing that you appear to be more concerned with the wellbeing of a war criminal than holding him to account or standing up for his British victims. It is of the deepest concern that in your above statement you prejudge who committed the alleged crime and why without any evidence. Your reference to “these people” is disturbing. Who are “these people”? Do you mean Sikhs? That is how it reads. Or do you mean Sikhs who think Mr Brar should be held to justice or the majority of Sikhs globally who want a return to the independent state they had until 1849 (like many Scots)? Do you mean the people who allegedly assaulted him? What do you know about them? Or do you mean SikhsIndia does not like? How do you know the attackers are Sikhs and/ or terrorists? We would be very grateful if the Rt. Hon Minister could explain what you mean given you have made a public statement. We understand some Sikhs were arrested in connection with the Brar attack on 4/5 October (after your statement) – most of those arrested were released without charge and included a priest, a cook, young men walking on the street, a plumber and two women. We understand further 3 are held on immigration offences after a raid on Gurdwara property. Of concern is that the arrests appear random, unlawful and racially and politically motivated. The community is concerned that the Police simply went to the nearest Gurdwara to the attack site and randomly picked up people due to political pressure and pressure byIndia. This has harassed, intimidated and alarmed British Sikhs. We understand leading Solicitor Gareth Pierce instructed by Central Gurdwara inHollandPark stated that she could not see any grounds for the arrests and that in her view they were unlawful. An IPCC complaint is being prepared. Like the Indian Government, the Met Police appears to have targeted a Gurdwara without any real grounds. At the time of your cited statement, the perpetrators of the assault had not been caught, their motives are not known. Yet you state: they are “exporting their terrorist views” – please can you explain who is exporting what views? To where from where? We are concerned these types of comments defame all Sikhs and may incite and encourage attacks on Sikhs and legitimise oppression of Sikh human rights in Indian and the UK. You state: they represent a real threat to people in the UK apart from anything else. How do you know this if you do not know who “they” are? These comments judge and incite before knowing the facts. Please explain. Winston Churchill said in relation to Sikh assistance in World War 1 & 2 said: “British people are highly indebted and obliged to Sikhs for a long time. I know that within this century we needed their help twice and they did help us very well. As a result of their timely help, we are today able to live with honour, dignity, and independence. In the war, they fought and died for us, wearing the turbans.” Sikhs already face substantial prejudice for practising their faith in many countries, they are bullied and persecuted, our religious institutions are attacked; entirely irresponsible comments in relation to Sikhs made to a country accused of Sikh genocide and international crimes should be properly vetted and references to Sikh “extremists” or “terrorists” even more so. We believe your choice of words was careless and provocative. You have thrown British Sikhs under a bus for a foreign war criminal. The community feeling is there is a witch hunt of Sikhs to appease Indiaunder political pressure. British Sikhs cannot understand how the Government condemns human rights abuses and impunity in other countries then rushes to the defence of one of the worst war criminals in Asia and in the process implicitly condones the persecution of Sikhs with impunity which is still happening in India – of late Sikh lawyers investigating Indian state action have been arrested, tortured and killed and political activists are tortured; India also tortures Sikhs extradited to India despite assurances otherwise (http://www.ensaaf.or...r2012-09-26.php). We believe a better response would have been along the lines of: “We regret the assault on Mr Brar who we understand has been accused of international crimes by human rights organisations. When we have established what happened we will make a statement. In the meantime it is our position that no rush to judgment should be made as no one knows who is to blame or what motivated their actions. We trust justice and due process will be allowed to proceed and urge India not to pre-empt the investigation or use it as an excuse to take action against Sikhs including those legitimately exercising their right to self-determination.” British Ministers should not in our view be repeating views of the Indian Government like a North Korean media outfit. Please understand your comments have alienated British Sikhs and we would welcome an apology. Unfortunately, your words cannot be taken back but your seat can. We understand that British Sikhs will campaign in your constituency against your re-election on the grounds that you are not a fit and proper person due to your apparent sympathy for accused international criminals and lack of respect for due process, we note if judicially reviewed your comments may be considered to have been unreasonable and made without proper review of the facts. The Sikh scriptures say, “The only enemy is injustice and the only death is the death of the conscience.” Yours sincerely Indian Subcontinent Affairs and Community Safety Committees. SIKH COUNCIL UK Email: info@sikhcounciluk.org

i really want to use the app but it keeps crashing on start up screen................. i have 856 MB available but it still does it.... any solutions ??? :D

It depends on what topic you want to search for. When it comes to Pargat Divas of Guru Sahib, I would say Bhai Bala Ji's Janamsakhi is correct. When it comes to Guru Sahib influencing bhagats, Meharbaan's Janamsakhi is more informational and authentic. All Janamsakhis have mistakes but important information as well. Vilayat and Hafizabad etc are the same in content. Puratan Janamsakhi edited by Bhai Veer Singh Ji is held as the most authentic of all. Guru Rakha

I would like to see Sikh organizations in U.K., U.S., and Canada do the same. This is the time of year, where we should be creating awareness about Bluestar and the '84 Sikh Genocide.

Why don't u taxi it or train it the airport and back? That way your car will be safe on your own drive or even better ask a friend or relative for lift to and from airport?

They're all versions of Naam. Just make sure its not mechanical and you're trying to connect the paath with your surti.

'Till the day I die, I don't think I will ever understand why Sikhs - who are firmly in the Sikh camp - refer to what happened to the Sikhs in 1984 as a 'riot'. These Sikhs need to understand that by doing so they are perpetuating the hurt and are thus almost as guilty as the guilty themselves. They need to understand that the Indians have a deliberate motive for calling the genocide / massacre a 'riot'. It does us no good if our people are too ignorant to understand that motive and join in with the ignorance. A nation has once had that same motive. A nation did once do the same thing. It cost that country dear. It shall cost India dear also. The Boston Massacre (or riot) of 1770. The British called it a riot even though it clearly did not fall within the definition of the word 'riot'. The Americans called it a massacre and because the British called a massacre a riot the Americans realised that the power that ruled then (Britain) placed a very low value on their lives. From that moment on there was no turning back. This simple issue of semantics spawned the American independance movement. Sikhs need to get educated. They need to to be well read. They need to understand how reading the classics will supply them with ammunition with which to win. At the moment we've just got Sikhs with really good intentions raising awareness of the massacres by organising exhibitions but cancelling out any good by calling it a 'riot'.

The man speaks the truth. There are way too many Sikhs out there attached to just the image of Sikhs, and don't understand the essence of Sikhism - they don't understand the truth.

I hope that they were more shrewd with their money then if they knew it was corrupt. The only way to fight corrupt committtees is to starve them of the oxygen they need - money. Dont give your money to Gurdwaras that are like this.

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Take example of a father who has two children, one is loving and kind and obedient to his father the other is offensive, self-centred and ignores his father most of the time. The father loves both his children but he will naturally have more of an affinity towards the child that is affectionate and loving towards him. Same can be said about Waheguru, the majority of people go about their daily lives not even thinking about waheguru for even a second, God still loves them but lets them roam at their will , they will carry on in their path of life and death, those who look up and acknowledge Him will get His blessing. Eke penda jai chall, Satguru kote penda agai hoi late hai – you take one step towards Him and He will take countless steps towards you.

Onlyfive, Sant Jee was a Brahmgyani, how can you imitate him unless you were one yourself?

mwsu mwsu kir mUrKu JgVy igAwnu iDAwnu nhI jwxY ] maas maas kar moorakh jhagarrae giaan dhhiaan nehee jaanai || The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. Guru Nanak Dev Ji Raag Malaar 1289

Sorry sir, I disagree respectfully . It matters bigtime what a GurSikh consumes. As for others, thats for them to figure out.

Awesome site Singh, thanks for doing this seva. It was very much needed. The katha of this Shabad needs to be introduced to the Nidar crew: This Shabad is by Bhagat Kabeer Ji in Salok Kabeer Jee on Pannaa 1377 kbIr BWg mwCulI surw pwin jo jo pRwnI KWih ] kabeer bhaa(n)g maashhulee suraa paan jo jo praanee khaa(n)hi || Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine qIrQ brq nym kIey qy sBY rswqil jWih ]233] theerathh barath naem keeeae thae sabhai rasaathal jaa(n)hi ||233|| no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ||233||

Dhan Dhan Baba Nand Singh Ji.......

Interesting pictures, but I see a sense of sadnesses in the pictures. All though these kingdoms came from Guru Ji's bakshish, the pictures seem to tell a story of Sikhi diminishing within those royal households as the next generations came.