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That's an insult to dogs. :D

Who told you that I think that? :blink2: Comparing our great figures is like children fighting "My dad is better than your dad". This is very childish.. I think that Prophet Muhammad, Guru Nanak, Jesus Christ, and Moses, Budha etc were all great, pious men of God. Comparing them doesn't make any sense.

Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh Sant Gyani Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale whose whole life is dedicated to attaching people to the charankamal of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. Waheguruji ਦਿੱਲੀ 7 ਜਨਵਰੀ 1986 ਨੂੰ ਅਚਾਨਕ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਆਪਣੇ ਇਕ ਨਿੱਜੀ ਦੋਸਤ ਰਾਮ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ ਵਰਮਾ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਇਕ ਰਿਸ਼ਤੇਦਾਰ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ, ਜੋ ਕੋਕਾ ਕੋਲਾ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਵਾਲੀ ਫ਼ੈਕਟਰੀ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਕ ਸੀ, ਦੇ ਘਰ ਜਾਣ ਦਾ ਮੌਕਾ ਮਿਲਿਆ। ਮੇਰੇ ਦੋਸਤ ਰਾਮ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦ ਨੇ ਦੱਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਮੇਰੇ ਫੁੱਫੜ ਜੀ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਵਿਰੋਧੀ ਰਹੇ। ਜਦੋਂ ਅਸੀਂ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਦਰਵਾਜ਼ੇ ਕੋਲ ਪਹੁੰਚੇ, ਉਸ ਦੇ ਚਾਰ ਮੰਜ਼ਲ ਆਲੀਸ਼ਾਨ ਬੰਗਲੇ ਅੱਗੇ 3 ਸਕਿਉਰਿਟੀ ਗਾਰਡ ਖੜੇ ਸਨ। ਜਦੋਂ ਅਸੀਂ ਬੰਗਲੇ ਦੇ ਡਰਾਇੰਗ ਰੂਮ ਵਿੱਚ ਬੈਠੇ ਤਾਂ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ 8 ਫੁੱਟ ਦੀ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦੀ ਤਸਵੀਰ ਦੇਖ ਕੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਪੈਰਾਂ ਹੇਠੋਂ ਜ਼ਮੀਨ ਨਿਕਲ ਗਈ। ਜਦੋਂ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਅਸੀਂ ਤਸਵੀਰ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੱਲ ਕੀਤੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਉਚੀ-ਉਚੀ ਰੋਣ ਲੱਗ ਪਿਆ। ਮੇਰੇ ਸਾਹਮਣੇ 78 ਸਾਲ ਦੇ ਬਜ਼ੁਰਗ ਦੇ ਰੋਣੇ ਨੇ ਹੋਰ ਵੀ ਹੈਰਾਨੀ ਪਾ ਦਿੱਤੀ, ਉਸ ਨੇ ਜੋ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਸੁਣਾਈ, ਉਹ ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਹੈ ਸ਼ਹਿਰ ਲੁਧਿਆਣੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਖੇਤੀ ਨਾਲ ਸਬੰਧਤ ਲੋਹੇ ਦਾ ਸਮਾਨ ਬਣਾਉਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਵਿਨੋਦ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਬੰਦੇ ਦਾ ਕਾਰੋਬਾਰ ਸੀ। ਉਸ ਦੀ ਹਵੇਲੀ ਨਾਲ ਪਿੰਡ-ਪਿੰਡ ਕੱਪੜੇ ਵੇਚਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਇਕ ਗਰੀਬ ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਸੀ, ਜੋ ਨਿੱਕਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਟਕਸਾਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਸੀ। ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲਾ ਦੂਰ-ਦੁਰਾਡੇ ਜਾਣ ਵੇਲੇ 2-2 ਦਿਨ ਇਸ ਕੋਲ ਰਹਿ ਕੇ ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਾ। ਵਿਨੋਦ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਦੀ ਘਰ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਦੋਂ ਰਾਤ ਨੂੰ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦ੍ਵੋਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਉਚੀ-ਉਚੀ ਆਵਾਜ਼ ਵਿੱਚ ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦੇ ਸੁਣਾਈ ਤਾਂ ਬੜਾ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਅਤੇ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੋਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਬੜੀ ਸ਼ਰਧਾ ਰੱਖਦੀ, ਜਦੋਂ ਕਿ ਵਿਨੋਦ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਦਾ ਕੰਮ ਵਿੱਚ ਜ਼ਿਆਜਾ ਰੁੱਝਿਆ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਧਾਰਮਿਕ ਪਾਸੇ ਕੋਈ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਖਿਆਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਸੀ। ਵਿਨੋਦ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਦੀ ਘਰ ਵਾਲੀ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਉਮਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਾਫ਼ੀ ਵੱਡੀ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਇਹ ਦੋਵੇਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮਾਤਾ ਜੀ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਸਨ। ਉਸ ਸਮੇਂ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲਾ ਅਤਿ ਦੀ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਸੀ, ਸਾਰੇ ਭੈਣ-ਭਰਾ ਮੂੰਹ ਮੋੜ ਗਏ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਧਾਰਮਿਕ ਸਥਾਨਾਂ ਤੇ ਪੈਦਲ ਹੀ ਜਾਣਾ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਸੀ। ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਦੋਸਤ ਨੂੰ ਇਕ ਅਜਿਹਾ ਸਾਈਕਲ ਲੈਣ ਬਾਰੇ ਪੁੱਛਿਆ ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਮੁੱਲ ਉਸ ਸਮੇਂ 16 ਰੁਪਏ ਸੀ। ਪਰ ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਮਾੜੀ ਮਾਲੀ ਹਾਲਤ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ 16 ਰੁਪਏ ਤੋਂ ਅਥਮਰੱਥਤਾ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਈ। ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਮਾਂ ਬੋਲ ਬੈਠੀ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਸੁਣ ਲਈ। ਉਹ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦਾ ਸਾਧ-ਬਾਣਾ ਅਤੇ ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਾ ਰਹਿਣ ਕਰਕਾ ਬਹੁਤ ਸ਼ਰਧਾ ਰੱਖਦੀ ਸੀ। ਉਹ ਨੇ ਬਿਨਾਂ ਦੇਰੀ ਕੀਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਘਰੋਂ 16 ਰੁਪਏ ਲਿਆ ਕੇ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਰੱਖ ਦਿੱਤੇ ਤਾਂ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਬੜੀ ਹਲੀਮੀ ਨਾਲ ਨਾਂਹ ਕਰ ਦਿੱਤੀ। ਪਰ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਅਤੇ ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੀ ਮਾਤਾ ਨੇ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦੇ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਜੇਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਪੈਸੇ ਪਾ ਦਿੱਤੇ। ਇਹ ਘਟਨਾ 1964 ਦੀ ਹੈ, ਸਮਾਂ ਬਦਲ ਗਿਆ। ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ 1967 ਵਿੱਚ ਲੁਧਿਆਣਾ ਸ਼ਹਿਰ ਛੱਡ ਕੇ ਕਲਕੱਤੇ ਚਲਾ ਗਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦਾ ਉਸ ਜਗ੍ਹਾ ਆਉਣਾ-ਜਾਣਾ ਖ਼ਤਮ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ। ਉਧਰ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੀ ਲੜਕੀ ਮਈਆਂ ਦਿੱਲੀ ਦੇ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਤੇ ਪੋਤੇ ਅਸ਼ਵਨੀ ਕੁਮਾਰ ਨਾਲ ਵਿਆਹੀ ਗਈ। ਉਸ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਪੁੱਤਰ ਨੇ ਜਨਮ ਲਿਆ। ਉਸ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਸੰਦੀਪ ਰੱਖਿਆ ਗਿਆ। ਜਦੋਂ ਸੰਦੀਪ 11 ਸਾਲ ਦੀ ਉਮਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਸੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਦਿਮਾਗ ਦਾ ਕੈਂਸਰ (ਬਰੇਨ ਟਿਊਮਨ) ਹੋ ਗਿਆ, ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਬੰਬਈ ਅਤੇ ਫਿਰ ਇੰਗਲੈਂਡ ਤੋਂ ਇਲਾਜ ਕਰਵਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ। 2 ਸਾਲ ਇਲਾਜ ਚੱਲਿਆ, ਅਖ਼ੀਰ ਡਾਕਟਰਾਂ ਨੇ ਕਹਿ ਦਿੱਤਾ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਬੱਚਾ ਵੱਧ ਤੋਂ ਵੱਧ ਸਿਰਫ਼ 3 ਸਾਲ ਜਿਊਂਦਾ ਰਹੇਗਾ, ਸ਼ਾਇਦ ਇਸ ਬੱਚੇ ਦਾ ਅੰਤ ਬਹੁਤ ਦਰਦਨਾਕ ਹੋਵੇ। ਉਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਘਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਬਹੁਤ ਜਗਰਾਤੇ ਅਤੇ ਬਹੁਤ ਪੁੰਨਦਾਨ ਕਰਾਏ ਗਏ, ਰਿਸ਼ੀਕੇਸ਼ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਬੜੇ ਰਿਸ਼ੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਅਸ਼ੀਰਵਾਦ ਲਈ। ਬੜੇ ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਪੈਰ ਪੁਆਏ, ਬੜੀਆਂ ਸੇਵਾਵਾਂ ਕੀਤੀਆਂ। ਦੂਰ-ਦੂਰ, ਜਿਸ ਸੰਤ ਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਹੁੰਦੀ, ਜਾ ਪੈਰ ਫੜੇ। ਪਰ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਡਾਕਟਰੀ ਰਿਪੋਰਟਾਂ ਦਿਨੋ ਦਿਨ ਮਾੜੀਆਂ ਹੀ ਆਉਂਦੀਆਂ ਰਹੀਆਂ। ਅਖ਼ੀਰ ਕੈਂਸਰ 82% ਤੱਕ ਆਉਣਾ ਕਬਜ਼ਾ ਕਰ ਗਿਆ। ਜਦੋਂ ਕਦੇ ਬੀਮਾਰੀ ਨਾਲ ਕੁਰਲਾਉਂਦਾ ਤਾਂ ਮਾਂ-ਪਿਉ ਤਾਂ ਕੀ, ਘਰ ਦੀਆਂ ਕੰਧਾਂ ਵੀ ਰੋਣ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਂਦੀਆਂ। ਸਾਨੂੰ ਕਰਨਾਟਕ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਕ ਬਹੁਤ ਉਘੇ ਸੰਤ ਭੈਣੀ ਨਾਥ ਦੀ ਦੱਸ ਪਈ। ਦੱਸਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਕਿ ਜੇ ਭੈਣੀ ਨਾਥ ਖੁਸ਼ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਸਭੇ ਬੀਮਾਰੀਆਂ ਚੁੱਕੀਆਂ ਜਾਣਗੀਆਂ। ਪਰ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ 60 ਤੋਂ ਉਪਰ ਸੰਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸਿਰਫ਼ 2 ਸਾਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਮਿਲ ਚੁੱਕਿਆ ਸੀ। ਪਰ ਕੋਈ ਅਸਰ ਨਹੀਂ ਹੋਇਆ ਸੀ। ਪਰ ਡੁੱਬਦੇ ਨੂੰ ਤਿਨਕੇ ਦਾ ਸਹਾਰਾ ਦੇ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਇਹ ਸਾਰਾ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਭੈਣੀ ਨਾਥ ਕੋਲ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਗਿਆ। ਉਥੇ ਹਜ਼ਾਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਭੀੜ ਹੋਣ ਕਰਕੇ ਤੀਸਰੇ ਦਿਨ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮਿਲਣ ਦੀ ਵਾਰੀ ਆਈ। ਉਸ ਨੇ ਬੜੇ ਆਦਰ ਮਾਣ ਨਾਲ ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਸੁਣੀ ਅਤੇ 101 ਗਊਆਂ ਨੂੰ ਪੱਠੇ ਅਤੇ 51 ਪੰਡਿਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਖੀਰ ਦਾ ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ਾਦ ਖੁਆਉਣ ਅਤੇ ਗੰਗਾ ਦਾ ਇਸ਼ਨਾਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੀ ਹਦਾਇਤ ਦੇ ਦਿੱਤੀ ਅਤੇ ਪੂਰਾ ਯਕੀਨ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ਕਿ ਬੱਚਾ 100 ਸਾਲ ਤੱਕ ਜੀਵੇਗਾ। ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਕੁਝ ਆਸਾਂ ਤੱਕ ਕੇ ਵਾਪਸ ਮੁੜਿਆ। ਸਭ ਕੁਝ ਉਸੇ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ ਪਰ ਜਦੋਂ ਡਾਕਟਰੀ ਰਿਪੋਰਟ ਆਈ ਤਾਂ ਅੱਗੇ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਵੀ ਮਾੜੀ ਸੀ। ਕੈਂਸਰ ਹੋਰ ਅੰਗਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਵੀ ਵਧ ਗਿਆ ਸੀ। ਅਖ਼ੀਰ ਸਮਾਂ ਬੀਤਿਆਂ, ਡਾਕਟਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਕਹਿਣ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਤਿੰਨ ਸਾਲਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਕੈਂਸਰ 93% ਤੇ ਪਹੁੰਚ ਘਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਬੱਚਾ ਨੀਮ-ਬੇਹੋਸੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਚਲਿਆ ਗਿਆ। ਇਹ ਗੱਲ 1983 ਦੀ ਹੈ। ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਅਚਾਨਕ ਹੀ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੀ ਨਾਨੀ (ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ) ਨੇ ਬੱਚੇ ਨੂੰ ਅਕਾਲ ਤਖ਼ਤ ਤੇ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਕੋਲ ਲਿਜਾਣ ਦੀ ਜ਼ਿੱਦ ਕੀਤੀ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਿਨਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦੀ ਪੂਰੀ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਚੜ੍ਹ ਮੱਚੀ ਹੋਈ ਸੀ। ਜਦੋਂ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੇ ਦਾਦੇ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਨੇ ਸੁਣੀ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਅੱਗ-ਬਬੂਲਾ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੂੰ ਬਦਮਾਸ਼ ਕਾਤਲ ਕਹਿ ਕੇ ਗਾਲ੍ਹਾਂ ਕੱਢਣ ਲੱਗ ਪਿਆ। ਪਰ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਤੇ ਕੋਈ ਅਸਰ ਨਾ ਹੋਇਆ। ਉਸ ਦੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਪ੍ਰਤੀ ਸ਼ਰਧਾ ਸੀ। ਅਖ਼ੀਰ 3-4 ਦਿਨਾਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇ ਜ਼ੋਰ ਦੇਣ ਤੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਮੰਨ ਗਏ, ਪਰ ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਨੇ ਇਹ ਸ਼ਰਤ ਰੱਖ ਲਈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ। ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਦੇ ਤਿੰਨੇ ਮੁੰਡੇ, ਨੂੰਹ ਅਤੇ ਸੰਦੀਪ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਨਾਨਾ-ਨਾਨੀ ਅਤੇ ਮਾਮਾ-ਮਾਮੀ ਸਾਰੇ ਜਣੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਤ੍ਰਖ਼ਤ ਤੇ ਆ ਗਏ। ਬੱਚਾ ਨੀਮ ਬੇਹੋਸ਼ ਸੀ। ਭਾਵੇਂ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੂੰ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੂੰ ਦੇਖੇ 26 ਸਾਲ ਹੋ ਗਏ ਸਨ, ਪਰ ਉਹ ਅਖ਼ਬਾਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਫ਼ੋਟੋ ਦੇਖਦੀ ਰਹਿੰਦੀ ਸੀ। ਜਦੋਂ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੇ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਪਹਿਚਾਣ ਕਰਵਾਈ ਅਤੇ ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਦੋਸਤ ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਾਰੇ ਦੱਸਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੂੰ ਪਛਾਨਣ ਵਿੱਚ ਇਕ ਮਿੰਟ ਵੀ ਨਾ ਲਾਇਆ, ਬੜੇ ਆਦਰ-ਸਤਿਕਾਰ ਨਾਲ ਬਿਠਾਇਆ ਗਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਬਦਾਮਾਂ ਨਾਲਾ ਦੁੱਧ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ। ਇਸ ਦੌਰਾਨ ਪਹਿਲਾ ਆਈ ਹੋਰ ਸੰਗਤ ਵੀ ਬੈਠੀ ਸੀ, ਹਰ ਕੋਈ ਆਪਣੇ ਦੁਖੜੇ ਸੁਣਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ, ਜੋ ਘਰੇਲੂ ਝਗੜੇ ਸਨ। ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਨਿਪਟਾਰਾ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਤੁਰੰਤ ਹੀ ਕਰ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਜੋ ਬੀਮਾਰੀ ਨਾਲ ਪੀੜਤ ਸਨ, ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਰੱਬ ਦੇ ਭਾਣੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਰਹਿ ਕੇ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਨੂੰ ਕਹਿ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ। ਇਸੇ ਦੌਰਾਨ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਬੈਠੀ ਸੰਗਤ ਦੇ ਦੁੱਖ-ਸੁੱਖ ਨਿਪਟਾ ਕੇ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਇਕ ਪਾਸੇ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ। ਕੁਝ ਚਿਰ ਤੇਜਿੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਬਾਰੇ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਕੀਤੀਆਂ ਅਤੇ ਬਾਅਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਆਉਣ ਦਾ ਕਾਰਨ ਪੁੱਛਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਨੈਨੀ ਦੇਵੀ ਉਚੀ ਉਚੀ ਰੋਣ ਲੱਗ ਪਈ। ਇਸ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੇ ਮਾਤਾ-ਪਿਤਾ ਅਤੇ ਸਾਰਾ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਰੋਣ ਲੱਗ ਪਿਆ। ਸੰਤ ਕੁਝ ਗੰਭੀਰ ਹੋ ਗਏ ਅਤੇ ਸਭ ਨੂੰ ਦਿਲਾਸਾ ਦਿੱਤਾ। ਸੰਦੀਪ ਦੇ ਚਾਚੇ ਨੇ ਸਾਰ ਵਿਥਿਆ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਦੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਖੋਲ੍ਹ ਸੁਣਾਈ ਅਤੇ ਦੱਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਅਸੀਂ ਸਭ ਸੰਤਾਂ-ਮਹਾਂਪੁਰਸ਼ਾਂ ਦੇ ਬਚਨ ਮੰਨੇ ਅਤੇ ਡਾਕਟਰੀ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਇੰਗਲੈਂਡ ਤੱਕ ਗਏ ਹਾਂ ਪਰ ਬੱਚਾ ਅਖ਼ੀਰਲੀ ਸਟੇਜ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੈ। ਸਿਰਫ਼ ਇਕ ਜਾਂ ਦੋ ਮਹੀਨੇਅਤੇ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਫਿਰ ਰੋਣ ਲੱਗ ਪਈ। ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲਾ ਕੁਝ ਚਿਰ ਚੁੱਪ ਰਿਹਾ ਅਤੇ ਬੱਚੇ ਨੂੰ, ਜੋ ਨੀਮ ਬੇਹੋਸੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਸੀ, ਨੂੰ ਚੁੱਕ ਕੇ ਗੋਦੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਬਿਠਾ ਲਿਆ। ਉਸ ਨੇ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੇ ਮੱਥੇ ਤੇ ਕੁਝ ਚਿਰ ਹੱਥ ਰੱਖਿਆ, ਫਿਰ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਇਕ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੂੰ ਆਵਾਜ਼ ਮਾਰੀ ਅਤੇ ਕਿਹਾ ਇਸ ਨੂੰ ਸਰੋਵਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਲੈ ਜਾਵ ਅਤੇ ਬੁੱਕਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਓਨਾ ਚਿਰ ਇਸ ਦੇ ਸਿਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਪਾਣੀ ਪਾਓ, ਜਿੰਨਾ ਚਿਰ ਤੁਸੀਂ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਾ ਪਾਠ ਪੂਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਲੈਂਦੇ। ਜਦੋਂ ਪਾਠ ਦਾ ਭੋਗ ਪਵੇ, ਫੇਰ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਅਰਦਾਸ ਕਰ ਅਤੇ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਹਦਾਇਤ ਕੀਤੀ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਦੇ ਨਮਿੱਤ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੀ ਇਕ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਕਰਨਾ। ਮਲ-ਮੂਤਰ ਜਾਣ ਸਮੇਂ ਪਾਠੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਏਨਾ ਉਚੀ ਪਾਠ ਕਰਨ ਕਿ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੇ ਕੰਨੀਂ ਸੁਣਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ ਅਤੇ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸਿੰਘ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਪਾਠੀ ਉਹ ਲਵੋ, ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ 25-25 ਵਾਲ ਸੰਥਿਆ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੋਵੇ। ਸਾਰਾ ਕੁਝ ਇਸੇ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਕੀਤਾ ਗਿਆ। ਤੀਜੇ ਦਿਨ ਭੋਗ ਪੈ ਗਿਆ। ਭੋਗ ਪੈਣ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਸਾਰਾ ਟੱਬਰ ਫੇਰ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਕੋਲ ਆਇਆ ਅਤੇ ਭਿੰਡਰਾਂਵਾਲੇ ਨੇ ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਅੱਜ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਇਸ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੇ ਸਿਰ ਦੇ ਵਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੱਟਣੇ। ਅਗਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਚਾਹਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਬੀਮਾਰੀ ਦੂਰ ਕਰ ਦੇਣਗੇ। ਨੈਨਾਂ ਦੇਵੀ ਤੋਂ ਬਗੈਰ ਬਾਕੀ ਸਾਰਾ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਮਾੜਾ-ਮੋਟਾ ਮਨ ਵਿੱਚ ਵਿਸ਼ਵਾਸ ਕਰਕੇ ਵਾਪਸ ਮੁੜਿਆ ਪਰ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੀ ਨਾਨੀ ਨੈਨਾ ਦੇਵੀ ਪੂਰੀ ਖੁਸ਼ ਸੀ, ਜਦੋਂ ਇਸ ਟੱਬਰ ਦੀਆਂ ਦੋਨੇ ਕਾਰਾਂ ਪਾਣੀਪਤ ਲੰਘੀਆਂ ਤਾਂ ਬੱਚਾ ਇਕ ਦਿਨ ਉਠ ਖਲੋਤਾ ਤੇ ਜਿਹੜਾ ਬੱਚੇ ਪਿਛਲੇ 7 ਮਹੀਨਿਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਗੁਲੂਕੋਜ਼ ਤੇ ਜਿਉਂਦਾ ਰਹਿ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ, ਉਸ ਨੇ ਖਾਣ ਨੂੰ ਮੰਗਿਆ। ਸਾਰੇ ਪਰਿਵਾਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਖੁਸ਼ੀ ਦੀ ਲਹਿਰ ਦੌੜ ਗਈ। ਬੱਸ ਫੇਰ ਕੀ, ਬੱਚੇ ਦੀਆਂ ਹਰਕਤਾਂ ਦਿਨੋ-ਦਿਨ ਬਦਲਦੀਆਂ ਗਈਆਂ ਅਤੇ 23 ਦਿਨੋਂ ਪਿਛੋਂ ਜਦੋਂ ਬੱਚੇ ਦੀ ਰਿਪੋਰਟ ਆਉਣੀ ਸੀ ਤਾਂ ਡਾਕਟਰਾਂ ਦੀ ਟੀਮ ਮੂੰਹ ਵਿੱਚ ਉਂਗਲਾਂ ਦੇ ਰਹੀ ਸੀ, ਜਦੋਂ ਸਾਰੀ ਕਹਾਣੀ ਦੱਸੀ ਗਈ, ਬੱਸ ਫੇਰ ਤਾਂ ਸਾਰੇ ਇਕ ਦੂਜੇ ਵੱਲ ਤੱਕ ਰਹੇ ਸਨ। ਬਾਰੂ ਮੱਲ ਕਹਿ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ ਕਿ ਮੈਂ ਹੁਣ ਪਛਤਾ ਰਿਹਾ ਹਾਂ ਕਿ ਉਸ ਸਮੇਂ ਇਹੋ ਜਿਹੇ ਮਹਾਂਪੁਰਸ਼ਾਂ ਦੇ ਮੈਂ ਕਿਉਂ ਨਾ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕਰ ਸਕਿਆ। ਜਿਹੜਾ ਸਾਡਾ ਬੱਚਾ ਕਈ ਸੈਂਕੜੇ ਸੰਤਾਂ, ਦਾਨ-ਪੁੰਨ ਕਰਨ ਦੇ ਬਾਵਜੂਦ, ਭੈਣੀ ਨਾਥ ਦੀ ਸ਼ਰਨ ਗਏ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਅਤੇ ਇੰਗਲੈਂਡ ਤੱਕ ਡਾਕਟਰੀ ਇਲਾਜ ਹੋਣ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਮੌਤ ਦੇ ਮੂੰਹ ਦੇ ਵੱਲ ਵਧ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ, ਅੱਜ ਸਾਡਾ ਉਹੀ ਬੱਚਾ ਮੈਡੀਕਲ ਦੀ ਪੜ੍ਹਾਈ ਵਿੱਚ ਫਸਟ ਆ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ Wahegurujikakhalsawahegurujikifateh

Thanks veeray, and sorry bhai jaan but I haven't heard much of him. From the name you are describing "Karam Singh ji Hoti Mardan" ..Its seems like that the Baba ji used to reside in KPK and not punjab? Mardan is an area in KPK and hoti is a name of a clan settled there...

A temple is actually an incorrect term. Temple refers to a building or a place of worship for people according to their faith. A gurdwara is not just a place of worship, it is actually a place that has the doors(dwaar) to the guru which is our shabad guru. The shabad guru or Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not a holy book like you find in all other temples BUT it is the GURU and Lord itself. Therefore, when in a Gurdwara we are not in close proximity to holy scriptures but we are at the actual proximity of the Lord and Guru Shabad, thus we are at the Guru's or Lord's very gate itself. Therefore, you are entirely correct to use the reference of Gurdwara sahib rather than temple.

At one side u call urself dass of Guru n on Other side u call the entire human group which should be panth but want to label them as Guru..... At one side we say can equalize Guru n on there sides u want to compete with Guru..... Panth is Just establishment of people following Guru..... See how even Gursikhs r corrupted.....please dont insult Guruji by making the panth Guru......

That is why I said most Muslims I have interacted with are good people, they are your average Muslims. But the ones who are really strict types i.e. the ones with the long beard and shaven Mustache, those ones are the ones that hate non Muslims those are probably Wahhabis or Salafis. The Taliban types who are featured in the documentary in this thread. BTW, from where in Pakistan are you originally from? and welcome brother

Very slippery slope and dangerous path. I have seen people who changed the ardas to "Guru Maneyo Panth" and i attended camps where "panth" was more in talks than focusing on Sri guru granth sahib ji. Yes panth is important but panth is only if blessed by our 11th and forever last guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib via credible institution established by our Gurus.

The Singhs did a good job. This is how it looks like when you see those nature documentaries of a few lions being able to beat huge number of heyenas.

Today I happened to watch Sangat TV (U.K.) on Internet. There was a discussion about Operation Blue Star . They mentioned the book “The Gallaant Defender” by A.R Darshi . The author A.R Darshi is a non Sikh. This book is must read for all who are interested in knowing the background of the preplanned holocaust . The English edition of this book can be downloaded from (or can be read online at) the website http://www.bhindranwale.net The book can be downloaded from the following URL (1) http://www.bhindranwale.net/sikhismbooks/The-Gallant-Defender-Sant-Jarnail-Singh.pdf (2) For eBook (free download) (2) http://ebookbrowse.com/the-gallant-defender-sant-jarnail-singh-pdf-d53261092

I had this question in my mind from 4-5 months.... I had a conversation with a sikh...... He said Khalsa panth is our 12th Guru..... Is it so? How panth is Guru?

Also, benti to sangat. I kind of agree with PakistaniPunjabi, don't copy paste stuff from Christian anti Islamic websites, no matter how true they may be. My best advice is to pick up a translation (or a simple search on a search engine) and then see both sides of an argument when looking at this subject. isingh1699 and others have a watch here: http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/london-beheading-islam/519d957f78c90a74e9000197

Deportation sounds like a good idea. There has to be legal avenues to deport these little crackpots?

Lolz

I always used to feel like that... Maybe you just need to read a little bit of gurbani, Random things are the best, Thats what worked for me... Try a site called kirtan lovers... theres alot of gurbani on there...I rember listening to kirtan... PLaying outloud in my room... It gives you something to think about becuase you want to know what the menaing of the shabad is... Thats always somewhere to start... Theres something missing in your life... I think you have taken a very good step by coming onto the forum and asking sangat... Its Mahraj Your missing and kirtan is your Way to start :respect: Welcome :giggle:

You're quite right, the Jews were victimised unfairly but unlike the Muslims of today, the Jews weren't actually trying to take over the west by out-breeding the host population. Because of the way the Jews were treated, the Muslims are getting a pass from the liberal media. As for Jews and their hidden agenda, whereas 'protocols of the elders of Zion' is discredited in the west, in the Islamic world that publication along with Mein Kampf enjoy huge sales and are regularly quoted by Imams. Unfortunately for you, a lot of people are getting educated in what Islam really is. Which is a political movement like Fascism or Communism disguised as a religion. By scholars with credential that usually mean Muslim scholars who know that if they say anything negative about Islam they will be the next ones to get beheaded or non-Muslim Scholars enjoying the patronage of Arab money who again fear the same thing as well as losing their heads, they also stand to lose their livelihoods. It's the same thing the Mafia does. They send some well dressed guys to sell a business insurance (protection) and if they don't take the insurance then the Mafia sends goons to to smash up the place and and when the business wants to buy the insurance then the rate is doubled! The Muslims offered the Byzantines, conversion to Islam, Protection money (jizya) or War. What would you expect a highly advanced civilsation going back a thousand years to do when, in their view they were threatened by a bunch of desert dwelling savages? Don't try and sell your revisionist BS here my friend, people here are not stupid. So let's transfer your outdated 7th century 'religion of peace' diplomacy to the modern world. The Americans would be quite within their rights if they offered the Iraqis and Afghans the choice of becoming Christians, or paying protection money. Now as the Iraqis and Afghans have chosen to fight the Americans then according to your 'advanced' civilisation, the Americans can take any Iraqi and Afghan women as sex slaves. The married ones would have their marriages anulled. Obama could always take the other option offered by Islam, ransom the women back! If you are true Punjabi then thank Waheguru that you belong to the land that gave the world Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind Singh. The first who taught that the oppressor should be taken to task for his actions and the second who taught the Punjabis how to avoid becoming another bunch of Arab clones trying to out-Arab the Arabs! I feel sorry for you because your ancestors weren't able to be on the side of the Gurus and were probably forcibly converted at the point of a sword. The next global war is between Islam and the rest. We should be thankful that no Islamic country has achieved the technological advancement that Europe, USA or even China has achieved. If they ever do then the Muslims will not be able to stop emulating the early Arabs by threatening other nations with conversion, blackmail or war. It's true, your rehni-behni might be the same as us but your SOCH is totally alien to non-Muslim Punjabis. You make a great deal about our commonalities but that didn't stop your people from massacring thousand of innocent Sikhs and Hindus in the villages of Rawalpindi district in March 1947. If the commonalities were so great then there would have been no partition just an independent Punjab inhabited by Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. One thing that 1947 proved was that religious differences are greater than ethnic and linguistic commonalities. The sad outcome is that Sikh Punjab is ruled by Hindi speaking Hindus in Delhi and the Muslim Punjabis can't even give their mother tongue official status! Sorry if the above comes as a shock but it's best to speak the truth.

Deport these goons/mobs wherever they come from, they give sikh community in states bad name..good riddance to bad tribal rubbish in the panth..!!!

Gandhi was Dog ..... N his whole family is of Dogs breed.....

It was the King - Shri Guru Gobind Singh ji who gave hukum...GURU MANEO GRANTH...... No one else can be Guru...... Guru Granth sahib ch 10 Guruwa di jot hai....... Panth nu Guru danaya te jathebandi waddegi.... I repeat if u will make Panth ur Guru....Jathebandi will increase....... I its better to come up with Some Gurbani to prove something....rather then coming out with oh falale...katha karan wale babe ne eh keha c....... Band karo eh katha wachak di galla.....n Gurbani padho.....

I'm glad looks like its been deleted - shukar ahh... he's uploaded this one now LOL

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Ki haal hai bhai ji. A sincere question, what is the general Muslim community's view on Hadith and the wordings where it commands to fight against non-Muslims until they profess there is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger? Welcome to the forum.

Oh yeah..don't worry, extremist wahabis and salafists hate everyone. They even hate other Muslims :cool2: .Wahabism/Salafism is puritanical form of Islam...very strict and literalist..so you can expect craziness from them. But traditional Islam, or what is called as global Islam, is not Thank God!!! And where from punjab? umm thats a hard question. I lived all over Punjab..My father was a government officer so he will have 'transfer' to new area every now and then..so I don't really know where I'm from Punjab :biggrin2: My dad side is from South Punjab (Rahim Yar Khan, Khanpur side) and my mom side is from Faislabad side. We are originally from Jalandar. From village called "Uggi" ... All the people from Uggi who settled in Pakistan named their new village as Uggi too...

Welcome pakistanipunjabi ji, hope you enjoy your stay...There was this very famous sikh saint in hoti mardan area back in early mid 1850- baba karam singh ji hoti mardan..have you heard anything about him from your relatives? any stories? He had very good relations with locals there, he was reverred as fakir.

...a few years ago Guru Tegh Bahadur ji was mentioned like a plunderer in one of the history book of NCERT and now its turn of Guru Gobind Singh ji in NCERT grade XII book. The news below further proves the fact how watchful we have to be. Thanks to the people who noted this blunder and raised their voices. NCERT to replace para on Sikh Guru Tribune News Service New Delhi, November 10, 2006 Following the objections raised by Sikh organisations against “objectionable” references to their Guru, the National Council of Educational Research and Training (NCERT) has decided to replace a paragraph on Guru Gobind Singh in its history textbook for class XII. The NCERT decided to replace the paragraph in the book, Modern India, written by Prof Bipan Chandra, according to a circular issued by the Central Board of Secondary Education (CBSE). The paragraph in the book says, “Bahadur Shah had tried to conciliate the rebellious Sikhs by making peace with Guru Gobind Singh and giving him a high mansab. But when, after the death of the Guru, the Sikhs once again raised the banner of revolt in Punjab under the leadership of Banda Bahadur, the emperor decided to take strong measures and himself led a campaign against the rebels.” It will be replaced by a new paragraph now, which will read: “In the early eighteenth century the Sikhs once again raised the banner of revolt in Punjab. They did so first under the leadership of Guru Gobind Singh and after his death under Banda Bahadur. The emperor, Bahadur Shah, decided to take strong measures and himself led a campaign against the rebels.” Link to the news: Tribune ------------------------ The letter alleges that N.C.E.R.T.'s class (grade) XI history book in a chapter on a 'Mediaeval India' mentions on page 125 that Guru Nanak Dev 'renounced' the world - a complete misrepresentation of Sikhism and against the first Sikh Guru's teachings of grahist jiwan (family life). Prof. Badungar also pointed out that in another instance on the same page the Sikh revolt has been described as a 'Hindu movement

Now i think its probably the same thing as this below news article from same year mentioned Guru tegh bahadur sahib ji.. Sikhism and Sikh history have been distorted and subverted in high school text books prepared by National Council on Education, Research and Training (NCERT) ----------------------------- With the Sikh community taking strong exception to some alleged "misrepresentation of facts" in its history books, NCERT has decided to get these portions checked by a well-known scholar and historian. NCERT's decision has come following a letter to its Director Krishna Kumar last week by Human Resource Development Minister Arjun Singh, who had received a memorandum from Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee (DSGMC), saying certain references to Sikh history was "hurting the sentiments of the community." The memorandum was presented to Singh by DSGMC during the minister's recent visit to the Gurdwara appealing him to direct NCERT to get these references checked by former Vice-Chancellor of Guru Nanakdev University in Amritsar, Prithpal Singh Kapur. "We have a Sikh scholar as the member of our panel which approves the matters in history textbooks. Now we will be sending the references on the Sikh history to Prof Kapur, as demanded by DSGMC and mentioned in the minister's letter," highly placed sources in NCERT said. "There are certain misrepresentation of facts in the existing text books. This hurts the sentiments of the Sikh community. We had demanded the texts to be ratified by Prof Kapur," DSGMC President Harvinder Singh Sarna informed. The earlier text books, which have been replaced now, had also a lot of misrepresentations of facts on Guru Teg Bahadur, Sarna alleged. However, NCERT spokesman Ashish Bahad said whatever alleged misrepresentations there were in the earlier books have now been deleted and the new lot of Council's books do not have these portions. NCERT has introduced new textbooks in five classes from this year including those for class I, III, VI and IX. http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/NM15/Sikhs-hurt-by-NCERT-history-books/Article1-134822.aspx

OPERATION BLUESTAR(GHALLUGHARA): THE UNTOLD STORY June 2, 1984... ....Must Read & Share There was no restriction for pilgrims to enter Amritsar or even the Temple. But the exit doors out of Amritsar were being closed. June 2, 1984 – Devinder Singh Duggal(In charge of the Sikh Reference Library) was relieved when "fortunately, on 2nd June a team of five reporters including Mark Tully of B.B.C. came there (Golden Temple) and were told the truth . They were taken around the Golden Temple and shown 34 big wounds caused by the bullets on all sides of the Harmandir Sahib, some of them as big as almost 3" in diameter." "The 2nd June passed off peacefully," according to Duggal, because there was no firing and no curfew, while Baldev Kaur said it was 'quiet'. A large number of Sikhs came to the Golden Temple from the surrounding areas along with their familie s as the next day, June 3, was Guru Parb or the martyrdom day of Shri Guru Arjan Dev, the fifth holy Guru of the Sikhs. The peace and quiet was only on the surface, because active preparations were a foot to break the peace. Kanwaljit Singh and his friend Manjit Singh from Delhi visited Golden Temple on the morning of June 2 and found that there there was no restriction for pilgrims to enter Amritsar or even the Temple. But the exit doors out ot Amritsar were being closed. After visiting the Temple, when Kanwaljit went at noon to the Amritsar Railway Station to catch a train for Delhi, they were told that the last train had already left and that the Flying Mail in the evening would not be leaving. In fact they were told all outgoing trains had been cancelled. So Kanwaljit and Manjit were forced to return to the Golden Temple and put up in the Guru Ram Das Serai for the night.Thus was Kanwaljit to miss his interveiw at Delhi with the Institute of Bank Management on June 3 morning and his examination with the State Bank of India the same afternoon. The AISSF young man said that the C.R.P., outside the Golden Temple was replaced by Army on the night of June 2. Although there was no formal curfew, and all visitors entering the Temple were allowed to come in without any ado, all those who left the Golden Temple on the night of June 2 were being taken into custody. "I did not therefore leave the Golden Temple complex", said the A.I.S.S.F. member revealing his caution The photo above is of Bhai Mengha Singh Babbar, On June 1st 1984, Religious-baised Hindu government directed it’s evil eye towards the Sikh places of worship and Sackhkhand Sri Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. During this attack, Bhai Kulwant Singh Babbar aka. Bhai Mehnga Singh of the organisation Babbar Khalsa had the honour of being the first martyr to die fighting those who would defile the sanctity of Sri Darbar Saahib. Stay connected, will share what happened on June 3rd and later. Gurjinder Singh

I can't quite understand why some Sikhs are still against the EDL. The fact of the matter is this Paji: The EDL was formed in 2009 after a bunch of muslims in Luton were burning poppies on remembrance day. They are opposed to the spread of radical islam in the UK. We as Sikhs should no better than anyone else what happens when political islam gets a grip-hold over a country. Due to the nature of their beliefs, there WILL be some racist people who latch onto the organization and use it as a base from which to spread their bigotry. However, by and large, they are very very accepting people who are trying to stop their country from being turned into "Greater Pakistan". If you are a Sikh and live in the UK, then England is your country too and you must play a part in defending it. I too have seen the pics of Sikhs being abused by certain members of the EDL. But please understand that a lot of this content is from back when it first formed, when there was actually a huge part of the EDL that was made up of racists. Those people have been kicked out and created their own group called "Northwest Infidels". The EDL of today is not a racist organization, not by a long shot. If you think they are, why not just go to a demo and see what it's like? Plenty of Sikhs have gone and I haven't heard of any complaining about being treated with disrespect. The leadership seems trustworthy to me, and I can't find any faults with their mission statement. On a final note, the actions of the muslim community in Britain is abhorrent to say the least. I know there is a lot of talk on here about apnea Sikh girls getting targeted for conversion/grooming, but the same is also true for Hindu and white girls as well, white girls probably being targeted more than anyone else in my opinion. As Sikhs, it is our duty to stand up against disgusting display of savagery. A Hindu girl or white girl being targeted makes me just as repulsed as a Sikh girl being targeted, Guru Ji teaches us to view all of humanity as one after all. Freedom of speech and freedom of religion are two other principles that Sikhi teaches. Unfortunately, the muslim community doesn't value them as much. If protecting freedom of speech and the right to leave/join any religion you want (including LEAVING islam) means opposing muslims, then it's going to have to be done. If you think that there is something wrong with the EDL or you still think it is a racist organization, then create your own group and we'll see how far it goes. As it stands, I say that the EDL stands for much of the same things we do, and it'd be in our interest to support them.

Oh bahudar fiasco..... Well he ended up being anti sikh..not a genuine sikh let alone nirmalae he started off with love and genuine curiosity on sikhi. All though he had many interesting points based on genuine research on gurmat theology his one leg in shiaism and other leg in gurmat didn't help.. He found him self put off by snantan nang gang where nangs were supporting/justifying Muslim woman rape as long rapist put pork bone in her mouth during rape... that was seriously messed up would understandably put off one from the path if their foundation is not strong.. All though that was one of factors why he converted back to shia islam.. He was influenced by Shia islam before he got into sikhi.. he never let his research or some what half devotion of sikhi totally color him in love of sikhi.. He was definitely complicated person to deal with.. He is one with many rays of views sometime in clash course with each other. Well I wish him well.. Hope he stays pakka in his path.. become genuine devotee than someone who would change their colors based on convenience

..this place is Jhabaal....Distt.. Taran-taran....Bhai Budda gg Gurudwara saheb de kol......Amritsar road te.................80 Shiv-sena walle sii n 12 SINGH sii.....te ehna bandara sena ne kise SINGH di Dastaar nu hath paa diitaa C.....Fer Kol He Khalote HOye 12 Singha Ne Farke Visha Visha Ke Kutiya Must Share Karo JI.. — The Follower Of Sikhism

Sat sri akal sangat ji I have been on this forum since last 15 days and now i am addicted to it.. its a good one...read some very good posts but due to some technical glitch wasn't able to post my views....so i am going to do it all in one go now... I have migrated from india to australia recently but this change has been a big one...i wasn't much into sikhi in india...my family is a sehajdhari punjabi family with good values but not much into sikhi....but last 5 months have been the most fortunate ones of my life....after moving from punjab my mindset made a flip and now all i think about is sikhi...i want to be a amritdhari sikh....all i can say is this is guru sahib's kirpa...my mom has suffered from chronic ailments since her marriage...so basically we tried every way to cure her from doctors to babe...nothing worked. ..and now with guru sahib's kirpa i learnt not to worry and left everything in my guru sahib's hands...mom does 5 bania every morning in amritvela and she is in chardikala now...u might be wondering why i am posting my life story here...the reason is there is no one else to talk to..if i talk to my family they would say i am trying to escape from my studies and would discourage me from the path...(although they said that i could do amrit paan after 3 yrs but they get worried if i talk much about spirituality so i stopped talking to them about it) so i am into sikhi now but i am also worried that will guru sahib accept me as his child...i have heard so many sakhis about gursikhs who were so blessed by guru ji..guru sahib himself helped them in their path...inspired them..helped them in their rehat, amritvela...and sangat ji i don't feel so blessed...nor i am surrounded by gursikhs whom i can look upto...some of u guys are so lucky being born into gursikh families...having darshans of guru sahib...but i am such a karamheen person...i don't know why but i feel guru ji doesn't like me...specially guru gobind singh ji...this feeling puts me off u know...i feel if was to be blessed i would have been already...

Puts fire into a man's belly.

Good on the Singhs.

At the time of the incident it did not get much attention but it is always feels good to read such things.

Dhan Dhan Khalsa Panth

Eating an hour or two before is simply for health and concentration issues. If one tries to do path on a full stomach then they are most likely to fall asleep!! Any activity be it physical or cognitive, is best done not on an empty hungry stomach or even a full stomach, but it would be more beneficial and accomplishable if done an hour or more after eating!

kaam karoDh mohi vas kee-aa kirpan lobh pi-aar. When you are under the power of sexual desire, anger and worldly attachment, or a greedy miser in love with your wealth; chaaray kilvikh un agh kee-ay ho- aa asur sanghaar. if you have committed the four great sins and other mistakes; even if you are a murderous fiend pothee geet kavit kichh kaday na karan Dhari-aa. who has never taken the time to listen to sacred books, hymns and poetry chit aavai os paarbarahm taa nimakh simrat tari-aa. ||4|| -if you then come to remember the Supreme Lord God, and contemplate Him, even for a moment, you shall be saved. ||4||

Generally true but not all muslims become bad after becoming religious it depends what strand of Islam someone is brainwashed into or gets self radicalised into. waaahabi, salafi and sunni are the worst type of muslims and sects of islam that anyone can follow.....they generally tend to give all of islam and muslims a bad name by thinking, acting and behaving like animals due to following the sunnah (which are derived from hadiths stating 3rd hand sayings and traditions of muhammad) literally. shia, sufi, isamali and ahmediya tend to keep themselves to themselves can co-exist with non-muslims relatively well and not harass others to join their religion. Surprisingly the western governments and their secretive military agencies are tolerating and supporting the worst type of muslims to use against the shia majority countries we can see what they done in libya against gadaffi, what they doing in syria against asad, against iran while in bed with salafi wahaabi saudis, sunni bahrani's, sunni omani's, etc. Which shows hows messed up and corrupt the capitalist rothschild zionest run banking financed system is. They create the frankeinstein monster then use that Frankenstein monster to destablise "3rd world non-western regime" nations and take over their lands wealth by putting in their puppet leaders. They did the same thing in India using India kings and their armies to oppress and destory each others kingdoms then the kings oppressed their own people so that the british could rule by proxy.....and to this day this system is in place but run more covertly under freemaonic commonwealth and other secret societies using the guise of democracy.

For a moment I thought hammertime had hacked into Neo's account. The west is not in danger of being taken over by Islam. India on the other hand, has a real danger of an Islamic takeover. Muslim countries of Pakistan and Bangladesh very strategically encircle India and do not have very friendly feelings for Hindu India. Those countries have about 18 crore Muslims each, add to that the same amount of Muslims in India who can very well act as a fifth column if circumstances require because deep down inside they do not like Hindus and have a real burning desire to again become rulers over Hindus. Partition of India was not a good thing we know that, but in a way it was a blessing for HIndus, just imagine if partition did not happen today there would have been around 540 million Muslims in India, how could HIndus have handled that many Muslims! I have a feeling in future there will be a huge conflict in Hindustan between Islam and Hindu Dharm. Let's see who will triumph. If history is anything to go by, Muslims of South Asia will beat Hindus eventually.

Everyone should watch three stages of Jihad..!! It will open your eyes..actually don't mind Sufism or Shia sect in Islam flourishing as they are more attached to marfat and hakikat(mystic) level of the dharam but not hostile/anti social cults like sharia sunnis, wahabis.. 70% of islam is full of fascist sunni ideology..sooner sunni idealogy is uprooted better it is for humanity. Guru Maharaj and Sikhi have always stood against fascist Aurangzeb type sharia islam....!!!!

I doubt the west will become Muslim majority. Atleast not in our lifetime. Christians are more active in doing parchar of their dharm than Muslims are.

Guru Har Krishan Sahib Ji and the Brahman While Guru Ji was at Panjokhara and mediating on God, a Sikh came and told him of a proud Brahman who was in the neighbourhood. The Brahman had asked the Guru’s name and learned that it was Satguru Sri Guru Har Krishan Sahib Ji. Hearing this the Brahman became very angry and said, ‘The poet of the Bhagavat Gita, whom no one can equal, called God merely Krishan, and the Guru calls himself Sri Har Krishan, as if he thinks himself superior to Krishan. If he be such a Guru let him come and translate the Gita with me’. Guru Ji replied to this Sikh, ‘ The eyes of understanding are very good, but the cataract of pride so blindeth them that they cannot see God’s way. The proud think all persons beneath them.’ The Sikh however, prevailed on the Guru to allow the Brahman to come to him. When the Brahman came he did not salute the Guru, but unceremoniously sat down in his presence. He then said, ‘Thou who call thyself Sri Har Krishan, must be greater than the God Krishan. Translate the Gita for a little while with me’. Guru Ji replied, ‘The Brahmans of the present day are not deeply read. They are great talkers and arguers, and are deteriorating everyday; and in the future they will have even less religion that they have now. What the Brahmans know is not real knowledge, and they are strangers to God. I have not read the Gita, and were I to translate it with you, you would say that I was some rich man’s son who had a private tutor, whereas I should translate by my spiritual power. Go and bring some ignorant rustic to discuss with you and when you have brought him, I will speak to you.’ The Brahman went and brought an ignorant water carrier called Chhajju from the nearest village. The Guru looked at him full in face and said, ‘Thou hast become a great divinity scholar. Now discuss the meaning of the Shastars with this Brahman’. The Brahman and the water carrier began to discuss accordingly, and the water carrier gave such learned replies, that the Brahman stood in astonished silence. The questions and replies related to Hindu theology. The pandit became convinced that Guru Ji had infused his supernatural power into the water carrier. He accordingly begged Guru Ji’s pardon for the unceremonious manner in which he had approached him. The Brahman added, ‘Thou art really the holy God, Krishan. Make me thy disciple’. Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Har Krishan Sahib Ji Maharaj, the King of Kings, the Saint of Saints and the Healer of all.

WaheGuruji Ka Kalsa !! Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh !! It seems the mod's deleted my correct thread. i came accross this video which explains how British shortened our bani's are they still available?(unshortened Chaupai Sahib and Anand Sahib) the unedited version? ---- Gur Fateh !!

Unable to open website. If it contains Translations by Pritpal Singh Bindra then i feel it is of no use Is there Translation available other then Pritpal Singh Bindra, who has given word to word translation?

Its better to get the facts right before coming to conclusions. I think we should first look into the book about the facts.

Yeh i get what your saying i aint denying it but honestly if your goin to believe such things like that then only god can help you im sorry if i sound harsh but just way i think and feel. End of day as a sikh we are braught up to be taught sikhi end of day if youngsters don't know that Guru Ji isnt a terrorist then i would like to question parents on what are they teaching their kids. In my eyes you got to be dumb to believe such a thing man end of day its a cruel world things like that will get said so if you lot honestly want to do something about it, then instead of crying about it on the net go and do something about it? and im sorry if i sound harsh by saying it!

that one persons book can influence potentially thousands of people who might end up reading that book.. especially if that book is in being distributed in the public school system.. so it DOES make a difference..

Only cus a book says Guru Gobind Singh Ji is a terrorist don't mean Guru Ji is chill man you people get wound up to quickly! Yh what is written is well bad but still only cus 1 persons says don't mean its the truth. Don't worry cus im positive that even Guru Ji himself aint worried over such a silly accusation! Sorry if i said neting wrong!