Dhundi coming to California

[Singh559]

Sad state of Sikhs eh?

I actually wanted to argue about some pudh

lol jk

I thought it was funny though haha

[ks55]

yeah guys it's called SOFT POWER - but as someone more intelligent than me has said not in front of SGGS saroop -- in darbar - well it's a big big no -- back to square one

[ms514]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

One thing that is for certain: protests have done NOTHING for the Sikhs in the Central Valley Area (Fresno) when Ragi Darshan came. Rather, it drew negative attention on the news and showed the Sikh community as divided and petty.

Rather than protest, one thing has to be understood: Parchar must fight parchar. There are 12+ Gurudwarae in the Central Valley area, one of the biggest one is under Taksal (Gurudwara Gur Nanak Parkash). It has a huge gathering of Sangat on Wednesdays due to Pizza Langar. The same Sangat goes to all of the other Gurudwaras as well. Get them there and plant a few seeds of the truth - you'll see the results.

What better opportunity than Wednesdays for the invited Kathakaar to address Dhundha's arguements point be point and destroy them. Dhundha is not going to debate anyone...so just counter his trash with the truth when you have the chance.

People like Ragi and Dhundha are sent for the PRECISE reason for splitting the Sikhs and preventing any unity and solidarity from forming. Don't give them what they want by protesting...rather, educate, enlighten and make aware the Sangatan of such people and how their points are baseless.

Committees from Dakota and elements from Selma Highland Gurudwara and Kalgidhar Gurudwara are hardcore missionary supporters. Plenty of sold out people here who have sold their souls to the GOI (active member of Indian political parties) - the same people who wanted to use the Sangat's money to celebrate Indian Independence Day (things that the local Sangat prevented). Dakota is fully supportive, and a hub, for missionaries (Ragi Darshan pictures still grace their walls on the outside). Selma has table and chair syndrome with many suspicious characters in their midst. Kalgidhar has some very goods Gursikhs who are currently locked in a bitter dispute with manmattis (who wish to remove the requirement of Amritdhari committee members, opening the committee participation to their sharabi-kebabi types. You know, the types who run Bhangra/Gidda organizations and attempt to insert such events into Gurudwaras). Fresno and Selma has enough such idiots that have sold their souls to the GOI that they have made the Central Valley one of its fortresses.

These people want protests, mayhem and disarray. The biggest enemy of any anti-Sikh force is unity. IF the Sikhs ever gain unity, Khalsa Raaj is easy to grasp. Without unity, we are managable. Same goes in India - using Marayada, Jathebandis, anti-Sikh cults and elections on a regular timed schedule (seems to be every 3-6 months), there is a vested interest in preventing the Sikhs from ever experiencing a continued time of peace, unity and solidarity. There are even videos (were on Youtube) of protests by the Central Valley Sikhs in Bakersfield, where an anti-Sikh person went around to the children who were in the protest and asked their names and where they are from (intelligence gathering).

If you want to see the nexus of these vultures is, go look up the Sikh Council of Central California - a coalition of the local Gurudwara committee representatives. While there are good people there (Panth dardi and Gursikhs), many of the members are bought and sold prostitutes that operate against the Sikh Panth's interest.

Good luck. The only thing that will succeed in this area is parchar. After all the protests against Ragi Darshan, the only thing that was effective is when Ragi showed up to Kalgidhar - he did his parchar, the Sangat questioned him on the existence of reincarnation, he said there was no such thing, the Sangat challenged his views and he tucked tail and ran.

[Singh559]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

One thing that is for certain: protests have done NOTHING for the Sikhs in the Central Valley Area (Fresno) when Ragi Darshan came. Rather, it drew negative attention on the news and showed the Sikh community as divided and petty.

Rather than protest, one thing has to be understood: Parchar must fight parchar. There are 12+ Gurudwarae in the Central Valley area, one of the biggest one is under Taksal (Gurudwara Gur Nanak Parkash). It has a huge gathering of Sangat on Wednesdays due to Pizza Langar. The same Sangat goes to all of the other Gurudwaras as well.

What better opportunity than Wednesdays for the invited Kathakaar to address Dhundha's arguements point be point and destroy them. Dhundha is not going to debate anyone...so just counter his trash with the truth when you have the chance.

People like Ragi and Dhundha are sent for the PRECISE reason for splitting the Sikhs and preventing any unity and solidarity from forming. Don't give them what they want by protesting...rather, educate, enlighten and make aware the Sangatan of such people and how their points are baseless.

Well said.

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The way I see it is a lot of the sangat who attended the darshoo event didn't even know much related to the controversy and to date, most of them don't even know the full details. It's the job of the youth to be able to educate the elders and families in an open and kind manner.

The problem I found sometimes is when you try to explain the situation or have a level minded discussion, they won't care about any of the points you make and will make jokes and say "assi ki lehna".

It's not an easy task, even having a discussion at home with my parents wasn't a simple one day thing, but it happened and it needs to extend to the community.

[ks55]

excellent points ms514 - if it can be done in a loving way it would make them look like the bigger fools.

secondly - if they are planted or not - it doesn't matter - what matters is how we handle it - and at the moment we are absoltuely falling into the trap- let's see if anything changes

[Sikhistan]

Perfect reply by ms514.

Not confirmed but I saw this message on FB:

Dhunde da program Tracy guru ghar vich nahi hovega utho di committee ne us nu rok dita hai

[Jonny101]

Great post ms 514 jee. Only parchar can counter parchar.

[singh135]

Chillax bro, you are making it sound like during guru's maharaj time no one ever farted or pass a stink bomb in maharaj darbar while maharaj was shausobat in the palki or throne..!! Farting is human thing not robotic thinge..!!

passing gas in Guru Ji's presence I'll leave you to make your own conclusions..but to actively plot and detinate a stink bomb next to Guru Ji which will fill darbar sahib and make it difficult for GurSikhs to concentrate on Bani and do Guru Ji's Seva just to prevent one person sitting on stage is very offensive. If this was in a neutral location or a party hall then my objection would be curtailed but it seems to be completely missing the point and is a cowards way out as educated sangat knows that only parchar can combat parchar.

[GPS]

Perfect reply by ms514. Not confirmed but I saw this message on FB: Dhunde da program Tracy guru ghar vich nahi hovega utho di committee ne us nu rok dita hai

Sockton Guru ghar and fremont will follow Tracy. Only place where he will be entertained

is doctors' Gurudwara and selma and then in LA.

Great effort by sangat of Tracy.