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[BSingh87]

You're on here posting things agasint Islam and Mohammed. Are you divine? do you posses such divinity that you are more knowlegable than the Lord God Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Nirankar??

Here, you contemplate on this, and let me know what your perception of this verse in the Dhan Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji translates to you as [i have no doubt you'll twist it to fit into your own warped, hate filled heart

Can you fathom Gurmukhi? So, by your claims it would clearly show that Mohammed is what you perceive him to be, hence why Mahraaj is endorsing him? and his faith? Murkh

ਅਵਲਿ ਅਉਲਿ ਦੀਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਮਸਕਲ ਮਾਨਾ ਮਾਲੁ ਮੁਸਾਵੈ ॥

Aval a▫ul ḏīn kar miṯẖā maskal mānā māl musāvai.

First, let him savor the religion of the Prophet as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.

Your understanding of the line is wrong. I've had discussions over this line with older Gursikhs, who are very knowledgeble and well-versed in Gurbani, years ago and they have said it is referring to Guru Sahib, not to Mohammed. The only true prophet is Guru Sahib, all else are false due to being under the influence of ego and haumai.

[SikhKosh]

So if I cite sant Gurbachan singh bindranvale MP3 katha in which he says Baba Farid was a Muslim and that Guru Nanak Dev Ji went to get his writings because he was a great poet of Punjabi language

Gurbani refers to Farid as Sheikh

Muslims are sheikhs

Author Khushwant Singh was born to Sikh parents. He had Singh in his name. He had a beard and turban. He wrote about Sikhs. Does that make him a Sikh? No, if you read his writings he was a self-confessed agnostic.

My point is that it is not your name, parents religion or appearance that determine the religion you adhere to but your actions and actual beliefs (which can be gauged from their writings). Therefore your argument about Bhagat Fareed being Muslim because his name was Sheikh is flawed.

Please do not call Bhagat Fareed a poet. If you read Gurbani it criticises people who call Bani a song or poetry: 'ਲੋਗੁ ਜਾਨੈ ਇਹੁ ਗੀਤੁ ਹੈ ਇਹੁ ਤਉ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੀਚਾਰ ॥' (Bhagat Kabeer in Raag Gauri).

[SikhKosh]

You're on here posting things agasint Islam and Mohammed. Are you divine? do you posses such divinity that you are more knowlegable than the Lord God Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Ji Nirankar??

Here, you contemplate on this, and let me know what your perception of this verse in the Dhan Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji translates to you as [i have no doubt you'll twist it to fit into your own warped, hate filled heart

Can you fathom Gurmukhi? So, by your claims it would clearly show that Mohammed is what you perceive him to be, hence why Mahraaj is endorsing him? and his faith? Murkh

ਅਵਲਿ ਅਉਲਿ ਦੀਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਿਠਾ ਮਸਕਲ ਮਾਨਾ ਮਾਲੁ ਮੁਸਾਵੈ ॥

Aval a▫ul ḏīn kar miṯẖā maskal mānā māl musāvai.

First, let him savor the religion of the Prophet as sweet; then, let his pride of his possessions be scraped away.

Don't base your knowledge of Gurbani on internet sites.

1) Which word says 'the Prophet' in the tuk? ਅਉਲਿ or aul is plural according to the greatest Sikh enyclopedia, Mahan Kosh. Nor the teeka by Prof Sahib Singh or Faridkoti Teeka mention 'Prophet' Muhammad in that tuk.

2) That website has so many wrong translations, on the same ang: "Becoming a true Muslim, a disciple of the faith of Mohammed, let him put aside the delusion of death and life.". The bold thing is not even mentioned in Gurbani.

3) The Ang you have quoted actually redefined the 5 Namaz. Guru Nanak Sahib wrote that instead of praying 5 times a days, Muslims should try to incorporate 5 virtues instead (speaking truth, living honestly, asking for Sarbat da Bhala, having good will and praising God).

[singh598]

Bachitar Natak dhan dhan cheteh baaj valeh neeleh goreh vale criticism of prophet Mohammed as being egotistical

I remember at work once on break time we were all in the canteen I said to the Muslims prophet was egotistical athva ya illah illah Allah Mohammed rasool Allah

Mohammed added his name out of ego

Bwoy the musuleh couldn't handle my criticism

All I can say is listen to baba Gurbachan singh katha he explains unique quality of Gurbani and that Sikhi is advancing evolution of understanding God

[singh598]

Satguru never criticize other religion just showed superness of Gurmat and in practice Sikh history Gurus never criticised only showed superness ie

Hardwara water to sun intellectually showed superness of Gurmat

Satguru was aap Akaal purkh Sri Guru Granth is the Sri Granth of all Granths ie Aad Granth

[SheikhYoBooty]

it would clearly show that Mohammed is what you perceive him to be

Guru Sahib 100% condemned slavery, caste system, pedophilia, rape, terrorism + all the evil Prophet Muhammad did.

Funny how after all your huffing + puffing in support of Prophet Muhammad u couldn't rebut an ex-Muslim!

If you have any factual response to what Iranian ex-Muslim Dr Ali Sina said go right ahead and enlighten us:

Ali Sina's Challenge www.faithfreedom.org

I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

a narcissist

a misogynist

a rapist

a pedophile

a lecher

a torturer

a mass murderer

a cult leader

an assassin

a terrorist

a looter

I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in two categories:

• Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)
• Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

These are the main two arguments that Muslims present in defense of Islam. Any rational person can see they are logical fallacies.

These charges are irrefutable. You simply can't disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession. You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point.

Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" The readers will be the jury. It is not difficult to see which side is right once both arguments are presented without one side fearing the other. I will publish the debates in this site. My opponents are also encouraged to publish them in any Islamic site. Please note that I will not accept face to face debates. The debates must be in writing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?

The truth is that several of the people that debated me were real scholars, such as the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer. This debate is a must read and is available for download. Dr. Zaheer is a learned man, a moderate Muslim and a good human being. I have utmost respect for him.

As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.

As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. This is to encourage you to write to your admired scholar and convince them that Islam is in danger and that it is their duty to defend it. Once you write to invite someone, please CC a copy to us for announcing the invitation. Our email is faithfreedom2 (at) gmail.com

Yes, Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution.

What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.

Please advertise this challenge. Every Muslim must see it. This is like throwing water on their fire. Nothing will dampen their zeal more than the realization that among a billion Muslims there is not a single scholar who can prove the wild claims of Muhammad, nor acquit him of these grave charges. This unmet challenge has a sobering effect on them. They can make any excuse, such as, I am not worth their response, that there have been greater men than me who opposed Islam, or that I have been refuted already, but they will not be able to fool themselves. The more this challenge is circulated, the more Muslims will be forced to remain silent and doubt Islam. Do not undermine the psychological effect of this impossible challenge.

Sincerely

Ali Sina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbEwynZDpmA

[StarStriker]

Shut up all u kuffars

[jkvlondon]

Shut up all u kuffars

????

I seem to have wandered into a soukh with challenges aplenty and rebukes , am I mistaken in thinking we are Sikhs talking about evils committed by a handful of individuals , not anything else like advertising for other individuals or faith attacking

[Pakandi baba]

According to Sufism there is reincarnation, according to Islam there is one life. Sufis believe in kirtan, Muslims are prohibited from doing Kirtan. Sufis believe Guru Nanak could have been a "prophet" (he was really Waheguru's light, but that's a start) Muslims believe Muhammad was the last of prophets out of 500,000. Pir Bhudhu Shah(Sufi) bowed to Guru Sahib, Muslims create Shaheeds of Guru Sahib. A Sufi started the foundation of Harmandir Sahib, A Muslim invaded Harmandir Sahib and put some negative insult,(Massa Ranghar).

According to Sufism there is reincarnation, according to Islam there is one life. Sufis believe in kirtan, Muslims are prohibited from doing Kirtan. Sufis believe Guru Nanak could have been a "prophet" (he was really Waheguru's light, but that's a start) Muslims believe Muhammad was the last of prophets out of 500,000. Pir Bhudhu Shah(Sufi) bowed to Guru Sahib, Muslims create Shaheeds of Guru Sahib. A Sufi started the foundation of Harmandir Sahib, A Muslim invaded Harmandir Sahib and put some negative insult,(Massa Ranghar).

No they sing, just without instruments, but that is debated amongst many Muslims. Nasheeds & Naat are sung. Equivalent to Kirtan

[Pakandi baba]

Guru Sahib 100% condemned slavery, caste system, pedophilia, rape, terrorism + all the evil Prophet Muhammad did.

Funny how after all your huffing + puffing in support of Prophet Muhammad u couldn't rebut an ex-Muslim!

If you have any factual response to what Iranian ex-Muslim Dr Ali Sina said go right ahead and enlighten us:

Ali Sina's Challenge www.faithfreedom.org

I receive many emails from angry Muslims, who sometimes beg me, and sometimes order me to remove this site. I consider both, pleading and bullying, signs of psychopathology. Argumentum ad baculum and argumentum ad misericordiam are both logical fallacies.

If you do not like this site and want me to remove it, instead of acting as a bully or as a victim, disprove my charges against Muhammad logically. Not only will I remove the site, I will publicly announce that Islam is a true religion. I will also pay

$50,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that I have made against Muhammad. I accuse Muhammad of being:

a narcissist

a misogynist

a rapist

a pedophile

a lecher

a torturer

a mass murderer

a cult leader

an assassin

a terrorist

a looter

I have debated with many Muslims. Their defense of Islam can be summarized in two categories:

• Denial of the authenticity of Islamic sources that report the stories of crimes of Muhammad (example: debate with Edip Yukssel, a leader of the Submitters)
• Moral relativism and situational ethics, e.g., “In those days, pedophilia, assassination, rape, raid, pillage, massacre and lying, were common practices, so Muhammad is innocent because he did what everyone else was doing.” Muslims even go as far as to question the legitimacy of the Golden Rule to claim I do not have any basis to condemn Muhammad. In other words, who can say what is good and what is evil? That is up to the messenger of God to decide. (Example: debate with Yamin Zakaria)

These are the main two arguments that Muslims present in defense of Islam. Any rational person can see they are logical fallacies.

These charges are irrefutable. You simply can't disprove them because they are reported in Islamic sources and as such they are as good as confession. You can't acquit a criminal after he has confessed, unless you plead insanity, which is my point.

Muslims often ask: "Who will judge whether or not an attempt to disprove your accusations against Muhammad and Islam, was successful?" The readers will be the jury. It is not difficult to see which side is right once both arguments are presented without one side fearing the other. I will publish the debates in this site. My opponents are also encouraged to publish them in any Islamic site. Please note that I will not accept face to face debates. The debates must be in writing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

The above challenge was issued in 2001 and it hasn't been met yet. See the debates I had with Muslims. Also see the pathetic attempt of some Muslims trying to refute me here , here, here and here. Is that all the Muslim world can offer? Where are the scholars of Islam? Why such an important task is left to a bunch of amateurs who actually do more damage to Islam? Isn't it time that the real scholars come forth and refute my charges?

The truth is that several of the people that debated me were real scholars, such as the eminent Pakistani scholar Mr. Javed Ahmed Ghamidi and his disciple Dr. Khalid Zaheer. This debate is a must read and is available for download. Dr. Zaheer is a learned man, a moderate Muslim and a good human being. I have utmost respect for him.

As of this date (2007), I will no longer debate with people who want to debate anonymously. I only debate with reputable scholars. I made this decision because often, Muslims moved by their faith and zealotry, but with little knowledge of Islam, challenge me to debate. They rehash the same tried and refuted arguments that bore everyone and disappear. Then, other Muslims, either accuse me of fabricating those debates or pooh-pooh my opponents for not being scholars.

As of this day, I am also doubling the reward. If you are not a reputable scholar, you can still win the prize. All you have to do is persuade a scholar to debate with me. If he (she) disproves my charges or can prove that Muhammad was a prophet of God, both you and he (she) will be rewarded $50,000 dollars each. This is to encourage you to write to your admired scholar and convince them that Islam is in danger and that it is their duty to defend it. Once you write to invite someone, please CC a copy to us for announcing the invitation. Our email is faithfreedom2 (at) gmail.com

Yes, Islam is in grave danger. Never, since its inception, Islam has faced a threat as serious as this. Today, millions of ex-Muslims are questioning the claimed truth of Islam, can make their criticisms heard worldwide, and unlike before, not fear for their lives. As long as these questions are not answered, this trend is only bound to continue, until the trickle becomes a torrent and the fall of Islam becomes obvious. In the past, the critics of Islam briefly shined like lamps in darkness, only to be put out by winds of persecution.

What is happening today can be likened to the break of the dawn. Darkness has no chance in front of this much light. Muslims are waking up and leaving Islam like never before. A spiritual and intellectual revolution is underway. This is the century of enlightenment of the benighted Muslims. The giant is finally awakening. The days of Islam are numbered. This demon of hate and ignorance will be slain by the hands of its own primary victims. The unity of mankind and the world peace are around the corner.

Please advertise this challenge. Every Muslim must see it. This is like throwing water on their fire. Nothing will dampen their zeal more than the realization that among a billion Muslims there is not a single scholar who can prove the wild claims of Muhammad, nor acquit him of these grave charges. This unmet challenge has a sobering effect on them. They can make any excuse, such as, I am not worth their response, that there have been greater men than me who opposed Islam, or that I have been refuted already, but they will not be able to fool themselves. The more this challenge is circulated, the more Muslims will be forced to remain silent and doubt Islam. Do not undermine the psychological effect of this impossible challenge.

Sincerely

Ali Sina

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbEwynZDpmA

Stop posting that stupid link and to Ali I've seen that site, there are many anti sikh sites too, do they hold weight in your narrow mind too? not in mine.

What I go by is the preaching and teaching of the Guru Sahibs, you go by the internet and EDL, and other anti islamic sites. I'm above that as I reside at the charan of the most benevolent Satguru Akal Purakh.