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Now that video should also be included in that channel. This is also Khalibani activity but this time done by prominent member of 3ho

Of course it is. We're all in agreement with that but what you're doing is looking at EVERY aspect of their existence with very negative eyes. Thats why you're refusing to see how incorporating an ele

I'm quite certain that's your YouTube channel or someone you know on a personal basis. Why do you condone such sensationalist titles? There are better ways to stop what's in the videos than trying to

you want positives

1. they make dastars visible and more commonplace

2. they break cultural expectations i.e. sikhs are only indians

3. They have translated Guru ji's bani to spanish (quality of translation I'm not sure of maybe someone can elaborate)

4. They know how to tie a dastar properly and when they keep kesh they do it fully not trimmed beards etc like some desi guys

5. There is a high proportion who try to learn and perform kirtan comparitively to average sikh population

6. More likely to immerse fully into Sikhi if gets proper exposure

7. Like to promote themselves and the sikh lifestyle

8. Laid back and not testostrone driven mostly

good points

Excellent positives and, excellent attributes to have as human beings I'm sure you'll agree.

The thing about it is, virtually all of them are extremely happy, content,positive, fit and healthy and immersed in Bani.....the embodiment of chardi kala sikhs. Surely we have much to learn from them ?....

Of course,....so much to learn and teach at the same time.......... Where our weaknesses have failed many of us, they have excelled and vice versa

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ain't those gora kirtanees >>""The Chardikala Jatha"" from same origins ???

I think they are marvellous and a pure positive

excellent point !!

'Chardikala jatha' are hazoori raageez that are in my list of well respected gurbani kirtanees.

I think that their parents were from the yogi's era, but they are 2nd generation 3ho that have got fully immersed into true sikhi.

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Here is a video of one of the members of Chardikala Jatha intimidating Gursant Singh for exposing the 3HO anti-Sikh practices. This guys name is Jugat Guru Singh Khalsa. He is a coward of a new breed. There is no amount of Sikhi in this jatha. There core beliefs rest with Yogi Bhajan and they use Sikhi as a tool to promote Yogi Bhajan's beliefs of Trantic Sex, Kundalini Yoga, white trantic yoga among other anti-sikhi practices. Do not be fooled by the Bana and Dummallas.

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you want positives

1. they make dastars visible and more commonplace

2. they break cultural expectations i.e. sikhs are only indians

3. They have translated Guru ji's bani to spanish (quality of translation I'm not sure of maybe someone can elaborate)

4. They know how to tie a dastar properly and when they keep kesh they do it fully not trimmed beards etc like some desi guys

5. There is a high proportion who try to learn and perform kirtan comparitively to average sikh population

6. More likely to immerse fully into Sikhi if gets proper exposure

7. Like to promote themselves and the sikh lifestyle

8. Laid back and not testostrone driven mostly

You should add

9. Don't care about caste?

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good points

Of course,....so much to learn and teach at the same time.......... Where our weaknesses have failed many of us, they have excelled and vice versa

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excellent point !!

'Chardikala jatha' are hazoori raageez that are in my list of well respected guru kirtanees.

I think that there parents were from the yogi's era, but they are 2nd generation 3ho that have got fully immersed into true sikhi.

but they still hold on to the yogi's insertion of yoga into nitnem bani ucharan e.g bowing Jaap Sahib and teach such practices in their talks at espanola at their gurmat camps :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFNnrZw5OH0

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9. Don't care about caste?

can not do that they have created a new one themselves where they are the superior khalsa above those of the brown kind ... personal friend had to take her kids out of miri piri academy india because of it she being of the brown kind

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but they still hold on to the yogi's insertion of yoga into nitnem bani ucharan e.g bowing Jaap Sahib and teach such practices in their talks at espanola at their gurmat camps :

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''insertion of yoga into nitnem''........or is it a yoga kriya done using jaap sahib ??

Am i doing beadbi everytime I work out in the gym with kirtan and gurbani on my music player ?

This bowing to jaap sahib has been discussed previously in thread below and I seem to understand it ok......but maybe thats my problem.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/64968-bowing-jaap-sahib/

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''insertion of yoga into nitnem''........or is it a yoga kriya done using jaap sahib ??

Am i doing beadbi everytime I work out in the gym with kirtan and gurbani on my music player ?

This bowing to jaap sahib has been discussed previously in thread below and I seem to understand it ok......but maybe thats my problem.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/64968-bowing-jaap-sahib/

man mandir vich namstang karo it is much more powerful ...besides this is a cleaned up version this is actually what most do, in the dark

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the foremost part for which we uphold our rehat

they do not !!
they have shameless solistice's i heard from someone, its so embarrassing i cant describe it !! it happens in uk
thats one reason why they dont allow native sikh from india to enter their temples and see their programs ?


when you dance on gurubani and make a mujra out of it, no good points are left !!

thats the ultimate disrespect !!

what will oher people think?

we boast so much that singhs saved hindus women !!
what are they doing now? what if some one see's this? can you uphold your head again high?

this little ripple is going to create sunami of bad talk we going to get from others , trust me !!

you are not thinking of it now? but what will happen and what has happened is seriously bad !!

now masa rangars spirit comes what will he say? you killed me because i had a mujra in golden temple?

but you guys are doing it openly , why did you kill me?

do you have any answer?

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I had met them they are really nice people, although I truly understand their practices are controversial.

I have a question with the sangat here, No hot heads plz : -

Is there anyway, this situation can be improved without showing them the door out or insulting them??

Do as a normal Sikh people, how we can offer them so much joy and peace from the maryada itself that they understand and start following it.

Remember they are well versed in Gurbani, and has a daily Nitnem of several banis, along with sehaj path. (also their yoga and stuff :blush2: )

Or

We just keep on saying to them BLASPHEMY - BLASPHEMY, bycott, infidels, white-insults, paapi - paapi etc.. etc. and in fear they will come to obey maryada.

much like Brahmins & Islamist do.

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I had met them they are really nice people, although I truly understand their practices are controversial.

I have a question with the sangat here, No hot heads plz : -

Is there anyway, this situation can be improved without showing them the door out or insulting them??

Do as a normal Sikh people, how we can offer them so much joy and peace from the maryada itself that they understand and start following it.

Remember they are well versed in Gurbani, and has a daily Nitnem of several banis, along with sehaj path. (also their yoga and stuff :blush2: )

Or

We just keep on saying to them BLASPHEMY - BLASPHEMY, bycott, infidels, white-insults, paapi - paapi etc.. etc. and in fear they will come to obey maryada.

much like Brahmins & Islamist do.

problem is when you try to engage them the first thing that comes out of there mouth is 'but Siri Singh Sahib said... / yogi Bhajan says ' they are programmed really strong in the personality cult , I mean they still pray/sing to his Photo every day

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

intellect4divine Jio, please read the book I linked in the previous post. It will show how much misrepresentation of Gurbani has been done.

We need to get over this whole novelty aspect - yes, they are Western and have come to Sikhi. Sorry to say, but they are on their next generation of Sikhs (born into Sikhi, if you will - their kids) and they seem to have as many problems, if not more, than the Eastern Sikhs. Patit-puna is a thing (Gurumustuk Singh's own words a few years ago on mrsikhnet.com blog), they confuse yoga and Sikhi (again, that linked book shows a deliberate mistranslation of Gurbani to ally Yoga to Sikhi), bhangra and dancing as acceptable to Sikhi (what do you do dancing to? If it is Gurbani it is beadbi of Gurbani. If it is Punjabi songs - the content of most is obsene) and a holier-than-thou attitude amongst some (not all) due to Yogi Sahib's installing his views (ex. Guru Gobind Singh Ji made the Khalsa wrong - again, read the linked book).

Sorry, not buying it. I had a favorable opinion of them previously, but after many of the uncoverings post-Yogi Sahib's death, I am not of the same opinion. There are deep seeded issues in the Western Sikh/3HO community that they need to work through and maybe even decide if they are going forward with Sikhi or yoga. Western Sikhs are also starting to come from non 3HO background - they are some of the most vehmently anti-3HO people you will ever see and have real issues with the way Sikhi is portrayed by the 3HO lot.

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

intellect4divine Jio, please read the book I linked in the previous post. It will show how much misrepresentation of Gurbani has been done.

We need to get over this whole novelty aspect - yes, they are Western and have come to Sikhi. Sorry to say, but they are on their next generation of Sikhs (born into Sikhi, if you will - their kids) and they seem to have as many problems, if not more, than the Eastern Sikhs. Patit-puna is a thing (Gurumustuk Singh's own words a few years ago on mrsikhnet.com blog), they confuse yoga and Sikhi (again, that linked book shows a deliberate mistranslation of Gurbani to ally Yoga to Sikhi), bhangra and dancing as acceptable to Sikhi (what do you do dancing to? If it is Gurbani it is beadbi of Gurbani. If it is Punjabi songs - the content of most is obsene) and a holier-than-thou attitude amongst some (not all) due to Yogi Sahib's installing his views (ex. Guru Gobind Singh Ji made the Khalsa wrong - again, read the linked book).

Sorry, not buying it. I had a favorable opinion of them previously, but after many of the uncoverings post-Yogi Sahib's death, I am not of the same opinion. There are deep seeded issues in the Western Sikh/3HO community that they need to work through and maybe even decide if they are going forward with Sikhi or yoga. Western Sikhs are also starting to come from non 3HO background - they are some of the most vehmently anti-3HO people you will ever see and have real issues with the way Sikhi is portrayed by the 3HO lot.

Sound like naamdharis... Some problems should be left alone to get sorted out.

As Huge numbers of Naamdharis are now are a part of mainstream sikhi, because of good sikh prachar and their infighting.

problem is when you try to engage them the first thing that comes out of there mouth is 'but Siri Singh Sahib said... / yogi Bhajan says ' they are programmed really strong in the personality cult , I mean they still pray/sing to his Photo every day

Yeah, Thats true...

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Sound like naamdharis... Some problems should be left alone to get sorted out.

As Huge numbers of Naamdharis are now are a part of mainstream sikhi, because of good sikh prachar and their infighting.

Yeah, Thats true...

Sikhi is not a popularity contest, if you can't live by a certain set of rules than don't deceive the world and give Khalsa a bad image. It's better to be Sehajdhari and working to actually be a Sikh than it is to be a false Amritdhari. We need diversity, but it should be of colors and not views. This is a good example of a White Khalsa, (Vaheguru bless him)
there is also the Sikhs that converted through learning Sikhi properly, by Bhai Jugraj Singh and BasicsOfSikhi.
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