20+ Indian troops killed by chinese troops in ladakh LAC border tension

[GurjantGnostic]

14 minutes ago, genie said:

Me neither that's why a new Sikh leadership is needed now one that doesn't sell out their own people and fights for interests of the Sikh kaum.

If we confederated Jathas we could elect representatives, to elect representatives, to continually renew a global Panj Pyare. 

We could even collaborate with others like the Sioux nation who are proponents of this family based, consensus based, representative based collaborative government model. 

If anyone is interested in the methods and tactics of cultural oppression and genocide by the United States as well as insight into the minds and culture of the Oglala Sioux and the American Indian Movement this video by Russell Means is amazing. 

The intro narrator's voice cracks me up but the video is worth watching. 

 

[Kau89r8]

 

[proactive]

3 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

It's actually 5, Ankush Thakur is a Sardar. 

So that's 1/4 of all dead. We are less than 2% of the population. I want over representation in CEOs and technical jobs, not the army.

No he was a Hindu from Hamirpur.

https://ourbitcoinnews.com/hamirpur-soldier-ankush-thakur-martyr-in-indo-china-lac-dispute-india-china-lac-controversy-soldier-of-hamirpur-martyred-whole-district-saddened-by-the-news-of-martyrdom/

 

 

[Jai Tegang!]

Seems liIe the military deliberately pushes our brothers to the forefront in more perilous situations, like it happened in kargil. Cannon fodder 

[proactive]

2 hours ago, genie said:

 

During the 1965 war with pakistan the Sikh leadership under akali dal told central govt in delhi they would encourage Sikhs to join the indian army to fight pakistan if delhi gave concessions to Sikhs, it seemed to work as they were then granted Sikh majority punjab along linguistic lines but at a cost of splitting punjab in 3 different entities.

 

No there was no such ultimatum to the govt. Most of the leaders were in jail and it was the fact that the Sikh masses in the rural areas at the Pakistan border who helped the army in the war that created pressure on the govt to concede Punjabi suba, but even the govt made sure that Punjabi speaking areas were kept out and Chandhigarh was made joint capital and Punjab's waters were spilt with the other states. If there is war with China there is no need for the Sikh civilians to be involved, in 1965 the war was on our doorstep, this time let the Himachalis and Ladakhis fight for India. 

[proactive]

Just now, Jai Tegang! said:

Seems liIe the military deliberately pushes our brothers to the forefront in more perilous situations, like it happened in kargil. Cannon fodder 

True probably over a third of all the soldiers who have been killed in Kashmir in the last few years were Sikhs . We all know that after 1984 the Indian govt restricted Sikh recruitment to the army and we are probably less than 5% of the army but the govt makes sure that Sikhs are the first ones sent into danger. 

[genie]

24 minutes ago, proactive said:

No there was no such ultimatum to the govt. Most of the leaders were in jail and it was the fact that the Sikh masses in the rural areas at the Pakistan border who helped the army in the war that created pressure on the govt to concede Punjabi suba, but even the govt made sure that Punjabi speaking areas were kept out and Chandhigarh was made joint capital and Punjab's waters were spilt with the other states. If there is war with China there is no need for the Sikh civilians to be involved, in 1965 the war was on our doorstep, this time let the Himachalis and Ladakhis fight for India. 

There was no ultimatum but there was secret talks and appeals going on between the Sikh leadership under the akalis to the central government in regards to Sikh contributions to the war effort against pakistan. It is that valued and necessary contribution that swayed the government to concede to the demands of the punjabi suba movement not just those mass arrests and peaceful protests. Same sort of thing happened in history but against Sikhs when certain tiwana punjabi muslims aided and conspired with the british invaders in conquering punjab and in 1857 indian mutiny these guys were given more political power and held sway in what parts of punjab that would come under pakistan when radcliff drew his line to split the punjab.

In terms of wars for India then Sikh soldiers will always be used. The punjabi Sikhs have a bravado instilled inside them that makes them born and raised fighters. If there's war with china it is the best time to negotiate the rewards and privileges in law for Sikhs. Sikh soldiers should present themselves to the leadership and vow not to fight for India until the Sikhs political and religious grievances are addressed. Otherwise if china and pakistan was to invade who know maybe some Sikhs may welcome the invaders if they can get favorable outcomes in terms of having their own independent nation state.

[jkvlondon]

9 hours ago, AjeetSingh2019 said:

Hindu right wing wants to make india 'vishwa guru' (world teacher) as modi ji says. 

Long term agenda is to make 'akhand bharat' which is ultimate utopia of hindutva 

they like to swear at nehru gandhi family a lot for historical blunders, the repercussions of  which according to them the nation still suffers till today 

Waheguru ji help the world from Hinduvta's delusions else they'll be feeding people bull jungle and pee as a cure-all. How can the spiritually blind lead anyone (Guru ji faisla)

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

20% of the deaths despites being only 2% of population , idiots will beat their chests in pride and say it shows our courage but I say it shows our lack of awareness at how our people are sacrificed at every given opportunity in disproportinate numbers ; these are the flower of our youths the stronger alpha types . Rajiv sent our lads to Sri Lanka to catch bullets and bombs after the bengal/biharis had their way with the women and girls of Tamils and killed and tortured the men  and boys. A pattern that is standard now since 1947; rile the enemy then send the sikhs in to catch the backlash

[jkvlondon]

37 minutes ago, genie said:

There was no ultimatum but there was secret talks and appeals going on between the Sikh leadership under the akalis to the central government in regards to Sikh contributions to the war effort against pakistan. It is that valued and necessary contribution that swayed the government to concede to the demands of the punjabi suba movement not just those mass arrests and peaceful protests. Same sort of thing happened in history but against Sikhs when certain tiwana punjabi muslims aided and conspired with the british invaders in conquering punjab and in 1857 indian mutiny these guys were given more political power and held sway in what parts of punjab that would come under pakistan when radcliff drew his line to split the punjab.

In terms of wars for India then Sikh soldiers will always be used. The punjabi Sikhs have a bravado instilled inside them that makes them born and raised fighters. If there's war with china it is the best time to negotiate the rewards and privileges in law for Sikhs. Sikh soldiers should present themselves to the leadership and vow not to fight for India until the Sikhs political and religious grievances are addressed. Otherwise if china and pakistan was to invade who know maybe some Sikhs may welcome the invaders if they can get favorable outcomes in terms of having their own independent nation state.

it is delusional to think GOI ever respected or gave anything to sikhs because of services rendered; they reneged on every promise from day one . Sikh generals who were heroes on those wars were rapidly badmouthed and attempts to discharge with some black marks on their records was made by GOI (just refer to how General Suhbeg Singh ji was treated prior to his joining Sant ji)