Dead zameer (conscience)

[Premi5]

18 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

I just find this Raf guy odd. Like seriously.

Is he Jatt? He seems  Mir Puri ...

He's fasts for Eid, practicing Muslim Pakistani British, but hardly mentions his faith, or seen with muslims on his ig..

seriously odd....

@Kau89r8are you in UK

Google tells me his family are from Sargodha. Not many Mirpuris in London

https://punjabicelebrities.com/raf-saperra/

He had a song 'snake charmer' and that is what 'Saperra' means, it seems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapera_(caste)

 

Origin[edit]

They are a community of snake charmers and one of a number of semi-nomadic communities found in North India which live in camps at the outskirts of most North Indian towns.^[4]

In Haryana, the community is known as the Sapera Nath. They are further divided into ten sub-groups, some of which are the Brahmin Sapera, Jhinwar Sapera, Soggar Sapera, BihaL Sapera, Nakphule Sapera, and Sandenath Sapera. These divisions are said to reflect the diverse origin of this community, where people of different caste backgrounds took to the occupation of snake charming, and over time evolved into a distinct community. They now have Scheduled Caste status in Haryana.^[5]

In Punjab, the word Sapela is derived from the word sap, which means snake in Punjabi. They are also known as Nath. The community are as much snake catchers as snake charmers, and are employed by villagers as snake charmers. According to their traditions, the community descend from a Kanipa, a Jhinwar, who took to snake charming. They are nomadic, and are possibly of Dom origin. The Punjab Sapela speak Punjabi and found throughout the state.^[6]

Present circumstances[edit]

The Sapera are divided into two endogamous groups, the Saharpua and the Baiga in Uttar Pradesh, especially the Bareilly district. These are further segmented into exogamous clans, and they maintain a strict system of clan exogamy. The principal occupation of the Sapera remains snake charming, and they wander from village to village, performing with deadly snakes like cobras. They are also expert snake catchers, and are often called in by other villagers to catch snakes and remove the poison from persons bitten by snakes. A small number of Sapera have also been involved in the manufacture of a coarse rope called the munj. As with other nomadic groups, the Indian state has exerted pressure for them to settle down. A few have now taken up permanent settlement and are mainly sharecroppers. They remain an extremely marginalised group, suffering from poverty.^[7]

The Sapela community in Punjab consists of a number of clans, the main ones being the Marar, Goar, Bhambi, Doom and Ladhu. All these clans are of equal status and intermarry. The Sapela are still largely involved in their traditional occupation of snake charming and snake catching, as well as collecting wild root and tubers, which they use for medicinal purposes. They are nomadic are often employed in the villages to catch snakes. The community are also associated with the playing the gourd pipe, known as a been. Like other Sapera groups, they are extremely marginalised, and have been granted Scheduled Caste status.^[8]

Most Sapera are Hindu by faith, although a small number have converted to Islam, and form a distinct community of Muslim Saperas. The Hindu Sapera are followers of the Shakti cult and worship the goddess Kali.^{[citation needed]}

 

 

Also, informative but long interview

https://basementapproved.com/music/raf-saperra/

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

@Kau89r8are you in UK

Google tells me his family are from Sargodha. Not many Mirpuris in London

https://punjabicelebrities.com/raf-saperra/

He had a song 'snake charmer' and that is what 'Saperra' means, it seems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapera_(caste)

 

Origin[edit]

They are a community of snake charmers and one of a number of semi-nomadic communities found in North India which live in camps at the outskirts of most North Indian towns.^[4]

In Haryana, the community is known as the Sapera Nath. They are further divided into ten sub-groups, some of which are the Brahmin Sapera, Jhinwar Sapera, Soggar Sapera, BihaL Sapera, Nakphule Sapera, and Sandenath Sapera. These divisions are said to reflect the diverse origin of this community, where people of different caste backgrounds took to the occupation of snake charming, and over time evolved into a distinct community. They now have Scheduled Caste status in Haryana.^[5]

In Punjab, the word Sapela is derived from the word sap, which means snake in Punjabi. They are also known as Nath. The community are as much snake catchers as snake charmers, and are employed by villagers as snake charmers. According to their traditions, the community descend from a Kanipa, a Jhinwar, who took to snake charming. They are nomadic, and are possibly of Dom origin. The Punjab Sapela speak Punjabi and found throughout the state.^[6]

Present circumstances[edit]

The Sapera are divided into two endogamous groups, the Saharpua and the Baiga in Uttar Pradesh, especially the Bareilly district. These are further segmented into exogamous clans, and they maintain a strict system of clan exogamy. The principal occupation of the Sapera remains snake charming, and they wander from village to village, performing with deadly snakes like cobras. They are also expert snake catchers, and are often called in by other villagers to catch snakes and remove the poison from persons bitten by snakes. A small number of Sapera have also been involved in the manufacture of a coarse rope called the munj. As with other nomadic groups, the Indian state has exerted pressure for them to settle down. A few have now taken up permanent settlement and are mainly sharecroppers. They remain an extremely marginalised group, suffering from poverty.^[7]

The Sapela community in Punjab consists of a number of clans, the main ones being the Marar, Goar, Bhambi, Doom and Ladhu. All these clans are of equal status and intermarry. The Sapela are still largely involved in their traditional occupation of snake charming and snake catching, as well as collecting wild root and tubers, which they use for medicinal purposes. They are nomadic are often employed in the villages to catch snakes. The community are also associated with the playing the gourd pipe, known as a been. Like other Sapera groups, they are extremely marginalised, and have been granted Scheduled Caste status.^[8]

Most Sapera are Hindu by faith, although a small number have converted to Islam, and form a distinct community of Muslim Saperas. The Hindu Sapera are followers of the Shakti cult and worship the goddess Kali.^{[citation needed]}

 

 

Also, informative but long interview

https://basementapproved.com/music/raf-saperra/

Snake charmer is in my youtube history. It is not thumbed up. 

 

[Kau89r8]

@Premi5

Yes, i thought MirPuris Pakistani Punjabi because in the UK they seem to have certain traits (can you guess lol) 

Thats really interesting ...a snake charmers..

[Premi5]

On 1/10/2022 at 8:01 PM, Kau89r8 said:

@Premi5

Yes, i thought MirPuris Pakistani Punjabi because in the UK they seem to have certain traits (can you guess lol) 

Thats really interesting ...a snake charmers..

You in the UK?

 

[ipledgeblue]

On 1/10/2022 at 8:01 PM, Kau89r8 said:

@Premi5

Yes, i thought MirPuris Pakistani Punjabi because in the UK they seem to have certain traits (can you guess lol) 

Thats really interesting ...a snake charmers..

no idea about the traits, all I know is other pak punjabis think of mirpuris as rubbish/trash.

[Lioness98]

On 1/17/2022 at 12:28 AM, ipledgeblue said:

no idea about the traits, all I know is other pak punjabis think of mirpuris as rubbish/trash.

Pakistani Punjabis are themselves no better than Mirpuris but scapegoat Mirpuris for everything wrong in their own communities. Many of the groomers have been Pakistani Punjabis yet ya'll act like Pakistani Punjabis are friends of us Sikhs and only the Mirpuris do it!! Ya'll need to wake up.

The ringleader of the Rochdale grooming gangs was a Pakistani Punjabi from Gujrat confirmed here:

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-gang-deportation-rights-10903124

 

Another Pakistani Punjabi from Faislabad grooming gang guy from Rochdale jailed for raping kids:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jan/28/rochdale-paedophile-choudhry-ikhalaq-hussain-fled-pakistan-extradited

Pakistani Punjabis have endless videos on tiktok mocking Sikh victims of grooming gangs just look at this page:

tiktok.com/@datpakistanipunjabi

[Kau89r8]

 

[dallysingh101]

17 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

 

Is that Canada?

[proudkaur21]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Is that Canada?

No I think its uk this Ap guy was having shows there. Why do people pay money to listen to this gandh lol.

[Kau89r8]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Is that Canada?

UK..Birmingham

Today got cancelled due to weather