Sikh Farmers vs Muslim Gujjar clash in Majitha, Amritsar

[GurjantGnostic]

15 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

- Muslims have unity. They always have the 'us versus them' mentality. We are disunited, usually have a secular instead of a panthic outlook on things and most of us do not even believe in the same principles (deravaad and so on). The Gujjars moreover have a tribal mentality and many of their deras across districts are interlinked with each other. This allows them to quickly swell their numbers in case of clashes, as was the case in this incident. We Sikhs meanwhile are busy fighting people of our own village based on their voting patterns lol (akali vs congressi feuds back in the day between villagers etc)

- The figure of 27.000 is definitely far from the truth. There are way more Gujjars than that. They have started settling permanently in Punjab because our lot have started selling them our ancestral lands and houses. But many remain nomads and are thus not counted in the census.

- Gujjars, compared to other Muslim immigrants in Punjab like bhaiyas (Bihar, UP) and Bangladeshis are physically closer to Punjabs (taller, well built) and are perhaps the toughest partially because of their nomadic lifestyle. They will pose the biggest challenge to Sikhs in the coming decade, not the other non Punjabi Muslims. 

- The 16 million Sikh population you refer to is an ageing population with few children. The Muslims outrank Sikhs and others in the number of children they have with an overall younger population. The same is the case in this incident where the Sikh villagers are mostly elderly while the Muslim Gujjars were young men.

This is what Nihang Jathas are for. Who was the prominent Nihang who caught a fir for looking for justice for that rape victim? Maybe he's got a few lads who can go. 

We need legitimate martial artists, prior service military, former criminals and gang members etc all sharing their expertise and training Sangat. 

The women, children, and elderly should be heavily trained in Shastar and conflict resolution. 

[SikhKosh]

Impressed by this mona brothers speech. Pretty clued up for a Punjabi from back home. Watch it at 1.5x speed though.

 

[MisterrSingh]

50 minutes ago, Shaheed4life said:

Like someone mentioned above, barely any Panthic Media is covering this. Why?

When the gianis and parcharaks of Punjab have spent most of my lifetime (of what I can recall) calling these devils, "Sadhe Musalmaan bhai" whilst sitting across from Guru Granth Sahib Ji - because these religious smooth-brains think they're sticking it to the Hindu political machine - the repeated enactment of this policy which was formulated at the very summit of modern Sikh religious institutions tends to convey a tolerance of Islam and its followers: more than tolerance in fact, a desire for a very close relationship.

In recent times, in this social media age, this pro-Islam directive that was disseminated on the stages of Sikh gurdwaras in India, has started to bear fruit in not just religious circles but cultural ones as well. But it's not bearing fruit for us; it's actually poison for our people. How it's bearing fruit is that we've signalled to Muslims that we're their subordinates. We've spent so much time and effort "presenting" ourselves (if there's any wildlife / nature enthusiasts reading, you'll know what I'm referring to) that Muslims have finally taken us up on our offer.

I made a post a few years about how that one careless Instagram post of a Sikh holding an umbrella over a praying Muslim is a monumental cultural error that will probably go down as a visual marker for (one of the many reasons) why we lost Punjab. I never mentioned it at that time because I assumed I was jumping the gun, but now it seems like an inevitability, and I wish I hadn't second-guessed myself: when they start "handling" our females in our own land, there's no turning back from that. That's as politely as I'm willing to put it. Because it won't all be rape and activities under duress. Some of it's going to be choice. I hope that will finally lead to some of us waking up. I don't think it will, though.

Our quom REACTS once the barn door is gaping open and the horse has bolted. We do not PLAN. The time to have started to tackle this issue was around the turn of the century; perhaps definitely around 2005 onward. Unfortunately, any reaction to this will come when our women are being gang-raped by Musleh in our own villages, and our village gurughars are being attacked. You know what these desert devils will say? "You were opening up your Gurdwarehs for us to pray when we never asked you to. Now these buildings belong to us because WE'RE COMMANDING you!" At that point, there's no use in getting gassed and booking an emergency flight to Amritsar and trying to do something. 25 years too late.

Never-mind, though, ey? "Caneda jaana"  to be a f****g Punjabi degenerate.

And I get stick for telling it how it is. I'm not going to stop, because your babeh and your mahapurash have failed you all.

 

[proudkaur21]

44 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

- Muslims have unity. They always have the 'us versus them' mentality. We are disunited, usually have a secular instead of a panthic outlook on things and most of us do not even believe in the same principles (deravaad and so on). The Gujjars moreover have a tribal mentality and many of their deras across districts are interlinked with each other. This allows them to quickly swell their numbers in case of clashes, as was the case in this incident. We Sikhs meanwhile are busy fighting people of our own village based on their voting patterns lol (akali vs congressi feuds back in the day between villagers etc)

- The figure of 27.000 is definitely far from the truth. There are way more Gujjars than that. They have started settling permanently in Punjab because our lot have started selling them our ancestral lands and houses. But many remain nomads and are thus not counted in the census.

- Gujjars, compared to other Muslim immigrants in Punjab like bhaiyas (Bihar, UP) and Bangladeshis are physically closer to Punjabs (taller, well built) and are perhaps the toughest partially because of their nomadic lifestyle. They will pose the biggest challenge to Sikhs in the coming decade, not the other non Punjabi Muslims. 

- The 16 million Sikh population you refer to is an ageing population with few children. The Muslims outrank Sikhs and others in the number of children they have with an overall younger population. The same is the case in this incident where the Sikh villagers are mostly elderly while the Muslim Gujjars were young men.

exactly they will always side with their own even if they are wrong. Entire villages in Punjab are empty. Not a single youngster from our end. They had many young men on their side. 16 million is mostly old people i think so too there are barely any young sikhs.

[proudkaur21]

36 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

This is what Nihang Jathas are for. Who was the prominent Nihang who caught a fir for looking for justice for that rape victim? Maybe he's got a few lads who can go. 

We need legitimate martial artists, prior service military, former criminals and gang members etc all sharing their expertising and training Sangat. 

The women, children, and elderly should be heavily trained in Shastar and conflict resolution. 

apparently that nihang is from a muslim family! Like he is a convert from Islam. Not 100% sure but i remember someone made an entire post about his life and stuff and wrote that.

[GurjantGnostic]

8 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

When the gianis and parcharaks of Punjab have spent most of my lifetime (of what I can recall) calling these devils, "Sadhe Musalmaan bhai" whilst sitting across from Guru Granth Sahib Ji - because these religious smooth-brains think they're sticking it to the Hindu political machine - the repeated enactment of this policy which was formulated at the very summit of modern Sikh religious institutions tends to convey a tolerance of Islam and its followers: more than tolerance in fact, a desire for a very close relationship.

In recent times, in this social media age, this pro-Islam directive that was disseminated on the stages of Sikh gurdwaras in India, has started to bear fruit in not just religious circles but cultural ones as well. But it's not bearing fruit for us; it's actually poison for our people. How it's bearing fruit is that we've signalled to Muslims that we're their subordinates. We've spent so much time and effort "presenting" ourselves (if there's any wildlife / nature enthusiasts reading, you'll know what I'm referring to) that Muslims have finally taken us up on our offer.

I made a post a few years about how that one careless Instagram post of a Sikh holding an umbrella over a praying Muslim is a monumental cultural error that will probably go down as a visual marker for (one of the many reasons) why we lost Punjab. I never mentioned it at that time because I assumed I was jumping the gun, but now it seems like an inevitability, and I wish I hadn't second-guessed myself: when they start "handling" our females in our own land, there's no turning back from that. That's as politely as I'm willing to put it. Because it won't all be rape and activities under duress. Some of it's going to be choice. I hope that will finally lead to some of us waking up. I don't think it will, though.

Our quom REACTS once the barn door is gaping open and the horse has bolted. We do not PLAN. The time to have started to tackle this issue was around the turn of the century; perhaps definitely around 2005 onward. Unfortunately, any reaction to this will come when our women are being gang-raped by Musleh in our own villages, and our village gurughars are being attacked. You know what these desert devils will say? "You were opening up your Gurdwarehs for us to pray when we never asked you to. Now these buildings belong to us because WE'RE COMMANDING you!" At that point, there's no use in getting gassed and booking an emergency flight to Amritsar and trying to do something. 25 years too late.

Never-mind, though, ey? "Caneda jaana"  to be a f****g Punjabi degenerate.

And I get stick for telling it how it is. I'm not going to stop, because your babeh and your mahapurash have failed you all.

 

Get together all the "Sadhe Musalmaan bhai" and say Bhai...how we going to solve this problem? And either way your muslim problem is solved. They either intercede for us. Cough. Or we can dispell the illusion. 

[proudkaur21]

9 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

When the gianis and parcharaks of Punjab have spent most of my lifetime (of what I can recall) calling these devils, "Sadhe Musalmaan bhai" whilst sitting across from Guru Granth Sahib Ji - because these religious smooth-brains think they're sticking it to the Hindu political machine - the repeated enactment of this policy which was formulated at the very summit of modern Sikh religious institutions tends to convey a tolerance of Islam and its followers: more than tolerance in fact, a desire for a very close relationship.

In recent times, in this social media age, this pro-Islam directive that was disseminated on the stages of Sikh gurdwaras in India, has started to bear fruit in not just religious circles but cultural ones as well. But it's not bearing fruit for us; it's actually poison for our people. How it's bearing fruit is that we've signalled to Muslims that we're their subordinates. We've spent so much time and effort "presenting" ourselves (if there's any wildlife / nature enthusiasts reading, you'll know what I'm referring to) that Muslims have finally taken us up on our offer.

I made a post a few years about how that one careless Instagram post of a Sikh holding an umbrella over a praying Muslim is a monumental cultural error that will probably go down as a visual marker for (one of the many reasons) why we lost Punjab. I never mentioned it at that time because I assumed I was jumping the gun, but now it seems like an inevitability, and I wish I hadn't second-guessed myself: when they start "handling" our females in our own land, there's no turning back from that. That's as politely as I'm willing to put it. Because it won't all be rape and activities under duress. Some of it's going to be choice. I hope that will finally lead to some of us waking up. I don't think it will, though.

Our quom REACTS once the barn door is gaping open and the horse has bolted. We do not PLAN. The time to have started to tackle this issue was around the turn of the century; perhaps definitely around 2005 onward. Unfortunately, any reaction to this will come when our women are being gang-raped by Musleh in our own villages, and our village gurughars are being attacked. You know what these desert devils will say? "You were opening up your Gurdwarehs for us to pray when we never asked you to. Now these buildings belong to us because WE'RE COMMANDING you!" At that point, there's no use in getting gassed and booking an emergency flight to Amritsar and trying to do something. 25 years too late.

Never-mind, though, ey? "Caneda jaana"  to be a f****g Punjabi degenerate.

And I get stick for telling it how it is. I'm not going to stop, because your babeh and your mahapurash have failed you all.

 

dude apne are so gone now that whenever there is hindu muslim fight or riots they start giving langar to muslims. They are probably laughing behind us and calling us langris.

[MisterrSingh]

Just now, GurjantGnostic said:

Get together all the "Sadhe Musalmaan bhai" and say Bhai...how we going to solve this problem? And either way your muslim problem is solved. They either intercede for us. Cough. Or we can dispell the illusion. 

And stop getting rich and fat off lucrative Western Gurdwara tours they conduct every year to escape the Indian summer?

[MisterrSingh]

1 minute ago, proudkaur21 said:

dude apne are so gone now that whenever there is hindu muslim fight or riots they start giving langar to muslims. They are probably laughing behind us and calling us langris.

If I was them, I would too. Why wouldn't you when a historical enemy is willingly and happily signalling their surrender to you? I'd be over the moon.

[proudkaur21]

11 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

When the gianis and parcharaks of Punjab have spent most of my lifetime (of what I can recall) calling these devils, "Sadhe Musalmaan bhai" whilst sitting across from Guru Granth Sahib Ji - because these religious smooth-brains think they're sticking it to the Hindu political machine - the repeated enactment of this policy which was formulated at the very summit of modern Sikh religious institutions tends to convey a tolerance of Islam and its followers: more than tolerance in fact, a desire for a very close relationship.

In recent times, in this social media age, this pro-Islam directive that was disseminated on the stages of Sikh gurdwaras in India, has started to bear fruit in not just religious circles but cultural ones as well. But it's not bearing fruit for us; it's actually poison for our people. How it's bearing fruit is that we've signalled to Muslims that we're their subordinates. We've spent so much time and effort "presenting" ourselves (if there's any wildlife / nature enthusiasts reading, you'll know what I'm referring to) that Muslims have finally taken us up on our offer.

I made a post a few years about how that one careless Instagram post of a Sikh holding an umbrella over a praying Muslim is a monumental cultural error that will probably go down as a visual marker for (one of the many reasons) why we lost Punjab. I never mentioned it at that time because I assumed I was jumping the gun, but now it seems like an inevitability, and I wish I hadn't second-guessed myself: when they start "handling" our females in our own land, there's no turning back from that. That's as politely as I'm willing to put it. Because it won't all be rape and activities under duress. Some of it's going to be choice. I hope that will finally lead to some of us waking up. I don't think it will, though.

Our quom REACTS once the barn door is gaping open and the horse has bolted. We do not PLAN. The time to have started to tackle this issue was around the turn of the century; perhaps definitely around 2005 onward. Unfortunately, any reaction to this will come when our women are being gang-raped by Musleh in our own villages, and our village gurughars are being attacked. You know what these desert devils will say? "You were opening up your Gurdwarehs for us to pray when we never asked you to. Now these buildings belong to us because WE'RE COMMANDING you!" At that point, there's no use in getting gassed and booking an emergency flight to Amritsar and trying to do something. 25 years too late.

Never-mind, though, ey? "Caneda jaana"  to be a f****g Punjabi degenerate.

And I get stick for telling it how it is. I'm not going to stop, because your babeh and your mahapurash have failed you all.

 

uno what i hate about our people. They have completely forgotten Sikhi and live their life thinking nothing bad is going to happen and that traditional Sikhs are fools. Time is cyclic. Any time riots/civil war happens in India these people will be the first ones crying. They will remember sant ji and know he was always right but it will be too late. Our lot for some reason do not have that tyaar bar tyaar mentality that guru ji preached about. In 1984 apne trusted these police wale in Delhi and look what happened. They never learn from the past and hence will suffer horrible fate again and again. They do not understand unity and will throw their own under the bus to please others. The only way these fools will wake up from deep slumber is when something horrible happens in the future.