Sikh Farmers vs Muslim Gujjar clash in Majitha, Amritsar

[chatanga1]

On 3/25/2022 at 6:50 PM, proudkaur21 said:

We are surrounded by enemies from every corner.

And internally as well. This is one thing I've repeated for years and years. We have to stand on our own feet for ourselves first. No other community is truly our friend.

 

On 3/25/2022 at 11:56 PM, SikhKosh said:

Things will get very interesting in Punjab in the coming decade. Rise of Islam and Christians who have become bold over the last 2 decades or so and dwindling number of Sikhs. Open attacks on Sikhi will rise.

You can't blame those people for coming in, or for Sikhs going out. The fact is that people nned to eat and most young Sikhs are so devoid of Gurmat and panthic thoughts that they would prefer to emigrate to the west and earn money rather than stay in Panjab and work for the betterment of the Panth. It's just a way of the world at the moment.

 

 

19 hours ago, Shaheed4life said:

I was just reading that the Gujjar population is 27000 in Punjab. We obviously have the quantity over them, yet why is our quantity not working? Sikh population in Punjab is 16 million.

In England there are a population of around 30,000 travellers I would say (could be more!) in a population of some 60 million. Yet these travellers (read Irish gypsies) are still feared by more or less everyone in England, including the Police. The police would rather turn away from any confrontation with travellers, as they can muster a good gang of fighting men. ANd when it comes to the general public, they would sheet themselves from any confrontation with these people.

 

 

19 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

- Gujjars, compared to other Muslim immigrants in Punjab like bhaiyas (Bihar, UP) and Bangladeshis are physically closer to Punjabs (taller, well built) and are perhaps the toughest partially because of their nomadic lifestyle. They will pose the biggest challenge to Sikhs in the coming decade, not the other non Punjabi Muslims.

Gujjars are not weak people physicaly. There are many gujjars who play kabadi for pakistan and they are proper fit. I don't know why Sikh have this notion that they are physically weak or small or things like that.

 

18 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

 

I have warned about this since atleast a decade - the above thread by me is 7 years old. Way before any direct Sikh-Muslim clash happened. Just imagine what will happen in another 7 years if nothing is done.

- Make laws which prohibits outsiders from buying land in Punjab.

- Socially and economically boycot Gujjars, because they are very well off. (contrary to what one would believe) 

If nothing has changed regarding the numbers of Biharis in Panjab for over 25 years, what is realistically going to change now?

 

 

6 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

The easiest and best solution is to get Hindu right wing involved in Punjab. This way you get your work done (taming Christians and Muslims) and BJP center won't say anything.

 

that is the same thinking that the traitorous rajas of Cis-satluj had concerning Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Accept the theiving terrorist british as overlords and save ourselves from Maharaja Ranjit Singh. Why oh why was Maharaja Sahib so lenient with them. Once he had defeated them, he should have executed the bloody lot of them. But he was too kind-hearted towards them and look what they did as soon as he released them.

 

Once the Sikhs let the RSS take control of this, it will give them such a boost and ammo to use against us.

 

 

[SikhKosh]

Read my post before commenting. I said that Gujjars are physically fit and can give tough resistance unlike the other Bhaiya or Bangladeshi Muslims.

You clearly have not read about politics or chankya niti, Sikhs will continue to suffer till they do not master the art of manipulation. Hindus and Muslims are apt at it, while we have fools like you who are afraid to use RSS or Pak whenever it may suit us because we are afraid 'to get used' or to 'the enemy will become too mighty'. Mark my words. I predicted all of this happening more than 10 years ago on this very forum. I know what I'm talking about, do you have knowledge about whats happening on the ground in Punjab ? About the geo-political implications of every step we will take ?

And thats a bad comparison you bought up about manipulation. The 'Sikh' cis-Satluj Rajas siding with a non Sikh to beat a Sikh ruler so they could save their own thrones is in no way what I implied. I said to use RSS - non Sikhs - to subdue other non-Sikhs (Muslims & Christians). Let them do their job instead of feeding your false egoistic 'saviour' image by always siding with the 'minorities' against RSS and thus promoting the growth of Abrahamics in Punjab. By simply allowing RSS to handle them while preparing and strenghtening ourselves we will only come out victorious. By waging a war on 2 fronts (RSS & Abrahamics) we will only lose because our lot lack psychological, social and political skills to tackle these issues.

Akaal Sahai.

[chatanga1]

27 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

Read my post before commenting. I said that Gujjars are physically fit and can give tough resistance

I did read it. I was agreeing with you.

 

27 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

You clearly have not read about politics or chankya niti,

Yes i have brother.

 

27 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

while we have fools like you who are afraid to use RSS or Pak whenever it may suit us because we are afraid 'to get used' or to 'the enemy will become too mighty'.

Pak? I'm glad you've brought that up. Try reading about the history of Pakistan and the Taliban movement. Pak Govt backed this movement until it brought chaos and thousands of deaths to pakistan itself, right into the heart of the country.

Then you may learn how dangerous it can be to try and use one power against another, only to find that power coming for you, once they have finished the other power.

 

 

27 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

And thats a bad comparison you bought up about manipulation.

Why? It's absolutely true. The Cis-Satluj Sardars tried to use the British govt and look at how it turned out. Some of them very Raja's had to even abdicate because they wouldn't follow the british criminals.

They used one power against another and paid a price themselves. They all lost their kingdoms in 1947.

 

27 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

The 'Sikh' cis-Satluj Rajas siding with a non Sikh to beat a Sikh ruler so they could save their own thrones is in no way what I implied.

You clearly have not read up on Panjab history then. It was a very poor and shortsighted decision that was made, that was a disaster for the Sikhs and Panjab. They saved their thrones for less than 100 years.

Read history and learn my friend.

 

28 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

Let them do their job instead of feeding your false egoistic 'saviour' image by always siding with the 'minorities' against

I and my false egoistic saviour image will side only, and only with the Sikhs. Whatever is going to help the Panth, I and my false ego will be there.

 

28 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

By waging a war on 2 fronts (RSS & Abrahamics) we will only lose because our lot lack psychological, social and political skills to tackle these issues.

Why wage any war when we "lack psychological, social and political skills" in the first place?

If we had any "psychological, social and political skills" we would sit on the side and let them destroy each other.

Shouldn't our first war be an internal war to sort out these skills and then take these skills to a more wider arena?

[SikhKosh]

Just see how British took our empire and yet used us to be their servants. See how they used the strategy of divide and conquer to make Hindus fight Sikhs, Sikhs fight Muslims and so on.
Manipulation that worked wonders for them.

Just see how Indian govt uses Sikhs everytime they need them and then kick them in their tattey (balls).
Manipulation that works in their favor.

Just see how Muslims praise Sikhs when they save them but criticize the same Sikhs when they talk about grooming.
Manipulation works.

Just see how Muslims present another image when they are a tiny minority and another when they are significant minority or majority.
Manipulation works.

You talk about Maharaja Ranjit Singh, he was a master manipulator. Many of his actions were manipulative but atleast we got our kingdom for a short while. But the vast majority of our people have been simpletons. Unaware of the wider picture. In 1947, the Hindus had a leader who was a lawyer. The Muslim leader was a lawyer. And the Sikh leader was a headmaster. We got manipulated. We will keep getting manipulated until we become shrewd. 

Try to read some books like the 48 laws of Power and others to get a basic understanding of how manipulation has always worked, in every age and will continue to do so. The sooner Sikhs realize this the better. 

[Kau89r8]

Muslims and hindus are taking over Panjab .Whilst mass immigration from Sikhs  Panjab to West. They giving Chandigarh to Dehli...we lost kaum..cant blame others its over own biggest rats ..really nothing we can do either...i hope those nationalist Sikhs get the biggest humiliation from them..keep fighting for them whilst they wish you genocide and take over lol 

@proudkaur21

[proactive]

7 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

Muslims and hindus are taking over Panjab .Whilst mass immigration from Sikhs  Panjab to West. They giving Chandigarh to Dehli...we lost kaum..cant blame others its over own biggest rats ..really nothing we can do either...i hope those nationalist Sikhs get the biggest humiliation from them..keep fighting for them whilst they wish you genocide and take over lol 

@proudkaur21

Chandigarh was lost as soon as our demographics went into decline. Even if Modi gave it to us tomorrow all we would be doing is decreasing our population percentage and adding another large urban centre dominated by Hindus into Punjab. 

[jkvlondon]

5 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

So glad to see a young brother clued up on not just the local sistuation but also on what starts in the UK and ends up in Lahore's hira mandi.

Also Waris Punjab De's Amritpal Singh Sandhu is a ray of hope for the youth.

These gujjars have spread all over punjab and wherever they can purcahse land to permantly settle, that essentially means there won't be sikhs there in 20 years. One of the two gujjars killed had taken his <banned word filter activated> out and threatened to rape the sarpanch's womenfolk was only 18 and had 4 kids already. I've seen their deras aswell. It looks like a nursery. Plus, these are no soft muslims. They are natorious for keeping loads of aasla (weapons, guns) and kidnapping mentally challenged to salve away at their deras. They traffic them within their network of deras to prevent any tracing.

This is [was?] the perfect time to drive out these milk spitters back into jammu and kashmir.

the sarpanch was a female it was her husband who was attacked on first attack he ended up getting sidelined and these scumbags arrived a second time in large numbers to attack and carry away the females , thankfully they were met with bullets and they had to rethink . They  of course called an imam and he arrived for the cameras claiming he came in peace but look he had a shamsheer in his hand . The communists farmer leaders sided with the gujjars rather than the sarpanch and villagers

[jkvlondon]

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live?ref=watch_permalink&v=2102016169966836

 

[Ranjeet01]

There needs to be some Intel. 

Where are these villages that these Gujjars are based at when they bring their re-inforcements. 

Just take the lot of them out.

Give them an ultimatum.

[BhForce]

14 hours ago, proactive said:

Their whole income is the sale of milk. During lockdown there was a boycott against their milk in a few places in Punjab and even Al Jazeera and the New York Times reported on this, then the liberal hara.mis got involved and got the boycott stopped by the administration. If a boycott is started all over Punjab these people would have no income and they would eventually leave Punjab or at least the rural areas. 

Muslim farmers in Punjab are facing boycott and Tablighi Jamaat must be blamed for this (tfipost.com)

 

There's a reason that in the old maryada, the Dals do not accept milk other than that milked by an Amritdhari Sikh. The milk from the Gujjars is simply no good, and there's no reason Sikhs should buy their milk.

Also, on what lands are their animals grazing? It's one thing for Punjabis to use common lands, it's another for non-Punjabis to come and use our lands.