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9 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

You seem to think that Muslims pose a unique threat to Sikhs. 

Last time I checked it was only Islam that inflicted Genocides in which 90% of the Sikh population was killed (Vadda Ghallughara) and more recently in which 25% of the Sikh population there was killed in the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs. So imagine 10 million people in California being killed tomorrow or 85million Americans being killed by Islamic State. That's the threat Islam poses to Sikhs. Even the Congress Genocide of Sikhs begins to look like a picnic in comparison to the above.

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8 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Last time I checked it was only Islam that inflicted Genocides in which 90% of the Sikh population was killed (Vadda Ghallughara) and more recently in which 25% of the Sikh population there was killed in the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs. So imagine 10 million people in California being killed tomorrow or 85million Americans being killed by Islamic State. That's the threat Islam poses to Sikhs. Even the Congress Genocide of Sikhs begins to look like a picnic in comparison to the above.

 

The 90% statistic for the Vadda Ghallughara refers to Sikh fighters and their families, not the general Sikh population.

In 1947, Sikhs did just as much killing as Muslims (if not more).

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On 4/20/2022 at 3:06 PM, californiasardar1 said:

1. The 90% statistic for the Vadda Ghallughara refers to Sikh 

2. In 1947, Sikhs did

1. I disagree. Imho that is the new age propaganda being fed to the Qaum in order to create 13,000 Mosques in each and every Pind in Punjab. What we as Sikhs need to do is ensure only one united Gurdwara per Pind to prevent Pakistan from achieving it's dream of 13million Muslims in east Punjab in the future.

2. The population of Muslims in Pakistan, India and Bangladesh is around 600million plus. The population of Sikhs is around 20million plus in those three aforementioned countries. What that means is if 25% of the Sikh population were killed tomorrow that would be 5 million Sikh deaths.

Let's take your argument at face value that an equal number of Muslims were killed ... ie for argument's sake a hypothetical 5million.

5 million out of 600 million equates to 0.8% of the Muslim population in the sub-continent. Meaning that Sikh victim fatalities on a per capita basis exceeded Muslim losses by a factor of 30 times! Thirty times!

Just to ram this point home. Russia invades Ukraine and has approximately of let's say roughly a 3 times larger population. Both sides suffer an equal number of casualties. What that would then mean is that Ukrainian losses are 3 times more than Russian ones in per capita terms.

Furthermore are you aware that Jinnah and his Muslim Jatt friend Liaquat Ali Khan (1st Prime Minister of Pakistan) intended to annexe all of present day Punjab (and Haryana) all the way up to Delhi (just like they annexed the part of Kashmir known as Pakistani-occupied Kashmir part of which is famous for it's Punjabi-speaking Mirpuri Jatt population that is quite numerous in the UK).

The Muslim Jatts, Muslim Rajputs (Ranghars), Muslim Brahmins (Butt's like Iqbal) etc knew they had a 4 to 1 numerical advantage in Punjab over Sikhs and that Sikhs were less numerous than Muslims even in Majha and Doaba (and indeed Sikhs were even a minority in Malwa in 1947).

They perceived Sikhs to have gone soft over time. Their thinking (somewhat like Putin's) was that Hindu's were cowards and that one in seven of the population that were Sikh could not prevent the annexation of the entire Punjab into Pakistan (including the Lal Qila of Delhi into this enlarged vision of Pakistan).

The Sikhs realised this existential threat upon attacks from various Muslim Jatt, Muslim Rajput (Rangarh), Muslim Saini (Arain), Muslim Gujjar etc villages in present day east Punjab during 1947.

In other words though it has become fashionable to parrot that Sikhs are just as bad the reality is that Sikhs were facing complete annihilation and Genocide if east Punjab had been successfully annexed into Pakistan (the way that Mirpur District was annexed into Pakistan by Jinnah).

Even so, despite seeing off the existential threat that Sikhs faced in 1947 (as Ukraine seems to have done at this point in time) the Sikh Panth still ended up with 30 times the number of casualties as the Muslims on a per capita basis during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs. 

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On 4/19/2022 at 7:21 PM, superkaur said:

To be honest we as a community can learn alot from majority of muslims. They have zero tolerance to any left wing groups or individuals trying to dilute their right wing or sometimes far right national socialism islamic doctrine narratives.

I was watching some social media tiktok live streams recently and saw muslim guys openly telling white girls and non-muslim girls in general to cover up before talking to them and some of these girls actually did it. They encourage non-muslim girls to try fasting with them for ramadan even our low IQ punjabi Sikh and hindu girls fall for that trap too. They are normalising islamification and subversion of non-muslim societies and cultures using soft power. Every other day you will hear some muslim calling their mate "an akhi" which is brother. They will say astagfirullah subhallah inshallah to make it the norm for their peers to use. This is slow process islamification of society.

Sikhs in turn should also use this technique start calling unrighteous actions adharmic and manmukhs. Start raising the youth to make Sikhi fashionable and not some low numbers obscure dying punjabi cult that people should not convert to like some low IQ lazy liberal lefty drunk wasteman "Sikhs" seem to think it should be. Sikhs need to up their game become the truley global faith that it rightly should be. "Sanu key" janta learnt the hard way that inaction will only lead to their daughters and sisters got groomed and converted to islam since 1980s.

 

Even young Europeans like for example in the Netherlands and France the white young population are adopting  slang from Muslims like mashllah, inshallah. I’m not joking.

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19 minutes ago, Kau89r8 said:

i know plenty of young pretty European girls who came to college one day wearing dresses, approached by dawah boys and next day they come in full hijab and embarrassed islam

Seem plenty on social media converts..

Whatever you feel about their ways on how they spread islam, they're doing something right..

We wont be getting that from being known as 'free food community' and langars 

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I see this too. Also we have to consider what converts are being told about Sikhs as well. I doubt it's good. 

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