Racism - callout as it is

[Deepthinking22]

11 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

 

2. Agreed and as long as we highlight this is a small minority among 50 million African Americans I have no problem with stating that there are crime issues that Sikhs need to be wary of and prepared for in advance.

3. I feel that if a minority of African Americans are racist against Punjabi's then a similar minority of Punjabi's are racist against kaaleh and I feel that Sikh Coalition did not want to fan those flames given that the African American community could benefit so much from Sikhi parchaar.

I condemn hate against East Asians in America that increased dramatically under Donald Trump's tenure but you must also be aware that African Americans remain the biggest victims of racial hate attacks in the US and that white Americans comprise the vast majority of attackers.

Let's say there is a Genocide against Sikhs in November 1984. And subsequently a couple of drunk Sikhs slap some Hindu shopkeepers. Should our focus be on the Genocide of Sikhs (or discrimination against African Americans) or upon a couple of random incidents in which nobody's life was lost?

1. When Slavery existed for hundreds of years the father slaves were always split away from their children. This has left an imprint of inter-generational trauma which causes failure and crime and drug-addiction in African American and slave descendant Diaspora communities to this day.

2. When you brutalise slaves (or when the Apartheid Regime brutalised black Africans in South Africa) it creates psychopathy among their victims and their descendants.

3. When the CIA promoted STD's and drugs within the African American community are you going to deny that the Pakistani and Indian governments do not encourage the same in east Punjab?

4. When you destroy a people's culture, language and any essence of society before the Christian and Islamic Slavemasters got to them and then these people fester under the unimaginable weight of racism for hundreds of years even after the end of Slavery then it is inevitable that there will be societal issues among the victims.

5. Our job as Sikhs should be to part of the solution rather than spreading hatred against them and becoming part of the problem.

Well we are not going to highlight it's a small issue that needs to be swept under the rug.  We are going to highlight that the Black community and their apologists need to take this seriously rather than deflecting and defending behaviour that a significant (not majority), but significant subsection of their communities are letting unchecked racist attitudes foster and breed which is culminating in attacks on and murders of innocent people of other ethnic backgrounds. 

What you say about Punjabis being as racist is a typical damaging response that serves no purpose in addressing what is being highlighted.  Indian racism to blacks is a thing.  However, you don't see Indians attacking and being racist to Blacks in the West as much as you do the other way round.  I told you, official government stats show blacks are the second largest perpetrators of racial violence in both the US and UK. Also, I am going to go into depth why Asian racism to Blacks is so overrated and misinterpreted anyway.  But I haven't got time for that on this thread and will leave it for my other thread that I am going to start soon.

Again, what on Earth has highlighting that African Americans are the biggest victims of racial attacks in the US got to do with the Stop Asian Hate point?  We have BLM for that.  But what we are talking about here is the Asian Hate and how a disproportionate amount of the perpetrators are Black. 

About your Genocide against Sikhs analogy.  You are fobbing off murders of elderly Chinese men and women and countless beatings as a couple of slaps?  You parents should be ashamed of you. 

Your points 1,2,3 and 4. Believe me, I  understand and agree with all of that.  I am no newbie to this.  The crux of the matter that you are missing is that every single community and race has it's racists.  Whites, Asians, Blacks and Browns.  No one including Blacks are an exception!  When you tell a whole group of people that they can't be racist because of what they have gone through or whatever, you are letting the genuine racists in that community breed and foster to dangerous levels.  This is now why we have dangerous levels of real racists in this community.  

No one is spreading hate here.  Don't even know why this needs to be explained.  I would say our job as Sikhs is to highlight and confront any injustice even when and where there is an uncomfortable truth.  

 

[Deepthinking22]

SinghPunjabSingh, I said I agreed with your points 1,2,3 and 4.  I agree with some of it but not totally.  If you really want to open your mind to what's really going on you need to listen to some stuff from Thomas Sowell (he is Black himself btw). 

 

 

[dallysingh101]

5 hours ago, kangw said:

Stop being such a hypocrite and holier than though here! If you don’t feel comfortable under your skin like the rest of those you represent, it’s not difficult to notice. Most of your issues arise from there and you are not able to recognise it. In fact, after reading your posts one cannot fail but realise that you are so uncomfortable with yourself in terms of who you are. So please stop preaching, stop it.

What are you waffling on about? 

[Jassu]

6 hours ago, kangw said:

And how do they look upon those look alikes, so called, empty <banned word filter activated>-pots claiming to be Sikhs, imitating hand, finger, facial, hip and legs movements of the group and the very ones your friend comes from? Besides why are you and your lot struggling so hard to be like them? What’re your reasons to be accepted by them, have you not got a superior heritage or what? Do you not originate from where early civilisations of Harrapa and Mohenjidorro took place? What about the message of Guru Nanak which is far ahead and so superior than what emerged from Abraham’s trap?

What are you even talking about. If you’re making fun of Jatts I have no words. Just because I said I have a black friend doesn’t mean I want to act black. All I said was that I have friends from all races. It’s good to hear others thoughts at times. And I would never advocate these people to join Sikhi, they don’t have any good values and go around doing putte kam. I would say 95% of blacks are unsuitable to join Sikhi and I would advocate others not to contaminate our quom.

[Jassu]

Members here will literally write essays to defend blacks and blacks on Twitter are doing our beizatti with less than 140 characters. So shameful. I'm embarrassed that this is the state of the Sikh quom. Do you think Muslims defend Sikhs or Buddhists or other minorities, lmao, no.

If it was multiple attacks on Muslims, literally no Muslim would have our cuckish thought process. This is why we're failing btw.

[Jai Tegang!]

9 hours ago, Kaurr said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's good they are upfront about how they feel about us since our people tend to be a bit slow in picking up subtle messages. The message is clear from their side: don’t hitch your wagon for a free “victim ride”. Give proportionate respect back to black orgs and individuals that stand by us, but none of this sikh coalition free pass.

If racists think we have sign on our forehead reading “take-a-swing-at-the-raghead”, it’s only because we allow it. This problem gets solved by sending out clear and blunt messages through all channels.

[dallysingh101]

50 minutes ago, Jai Tegang! said:

It's good they are upfront about how they feel about us since our people tend to be a bit slow in picking up subtle messages. The message is clear from their side: don’t hitch your wagon for a free “victim ride”. Give proportionate respect back to black orgs and individuals that stand by us, but none of this sikh coalition free pass.

If racists think we have sign on our forehead reading “take-a-swing-at-the-raghead”, it’s only because we allow it. This problem gets solved by sending out clear and blunt messages through all channels.

It's not even like this is new news or even subtly put previously........I think African-Americans are clearly saying hold your own ground (or 'nuts' as they put it). What's weird is no one commented when I posted this 5 years ago, but now people are all on it. 

In reality it seems like blacks over there are saying what a lot of us say these days. That no one helps us when we are in need so leave them be.  

 

The Youtube accounts now deleted but here were some of the comments from 5 odd years ago, good job they were saved:

 

 

Michelle W4 months ago

I do not feel sorry for these people because for years they have always been along with white people targeting racism towards blacks .I live in Detroit where is highly populated Arab and Indian communities here, and they always show their races <banned word filter activated> to us all the time ,yet they want us to buy in their stores. But when this stuff happens to them, they want all Unite .screw these people that's what they get

 

these Indians are some of the most racist, white skin worshipping bastards on earth. let the psychotic albinoid beasts make the streets run red with their blood.

 

Indians buy more skin bleaching creme than the whole of the African continent and Hindus actually look upon white skin as a symbol of divinity. Go and read about that racist piece of curry jerky mahatma( CHILD MOLESTER) ghandi and what he thought of black africans. read about how the dark skin dalit people of india are treated. <banned word filter activated> out of here!!!!

 

scarlettboy4 months ago

I agree. The Sikhs don't care about Black people.You shouldn't defend them!! They would NOT defend you

 

Malin Black4 months ago
Derek Talley It first started with black people and all these non-black groups said nothing because they were not black. It's too late to play that "we are all minorities" game now. They must hold their own nuts, we warned them for YEARS!

 

Sirius z4 months ago (edited)
..........................great video Cynthia.............while us blacks were getting gun down in the streets...these other non-black---non-white groups of people was grabbing their popcorn,rice,egg rolls,curry,taco's,meatballs,gyro's,matzo ball's etc....sitting in a  dark corner quiet with the cricket's ,eating and being entertained by the unjust deaths of black people............................now white supremacy is at their door step  ...........now they're looking at us black folk to help them shed some tears for them ....................................naw we saving our tears for our own ............just like you do

 

JOHN FRANK4 months ago
To these morons anyone in a turban is a Muslim, that is that superior recessive intellect at play, knowing the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim has no relevance for these fools since it's all about hate and, the sexual deviant pleasure they derive from it.

 

Jonnie Thomas4 months ago
They probably didn't know the difference between a Muslim and a Sikh. Cave dwelling parasites..the natural enemy of all humans.

[californiasardar1]

You guys are so critical of "Sikh Coalition"-style groups and individuals trying to make common cause with larger minority groups that don't care much about us. But it's not that different from desperate Singhs constantly pandering to mona Punjabis and trying find some common ground with them.

[Deepthinking22]

 

[superkaur]

Question I would ask is why are majority of blacks so quite and not vocal when Sikhs and asians in general are harmed and victimsed by violent black racists in their communities based in the west. Where are the black Sikh converts and why are they not coming to defense of their fellow brothers and sisters in faith?