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15 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Sikh religious causes and the general religious scene don't seem to be attractive to otherwise intelligent (book smart) laymen. The odd professor, researcher, author, student of history, etc, is not representative of the masses. I imagine what puts smart people off is the inflexible religious tribalism coupled with the purity spiral / unrealistic barrier to entry that eliminates 99% of any interest. Plus, the leadership and hierarchy have NO answers to the problems that Sikhs face today. The solutions they present are one or both of:

1) Your karams are 5hit - pray more.

2) Your misfortune is God's grace - pray more so in the next life you receive more favourable circumstances.

Meanwhile people should just neck themselves because this janam is a write-off? Absolute demoralising jokery. 

But Isn't Islam even worse in this purity bs regards? Also their preachers teach the same thing it doesn't matter how <banned word filter activated> your life is if you pray to allah you will get everything in Jannah. There must be something more to it. Alot of Sikhs also constantly undermine their own religious teachings just to please others. Then i guess when people see the behavior of an avg Punjabi what impression of Sikhi do they get?

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3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Objectively speaking on some levels there's some truth in what they said, our Sikh faith has been abrahmized in the last few centuries, the original goal of the British was to convert the Sikhs into Christianity but when they failed at that, they decided if they couldn't convert the Sikh, rather they would create a new influence within Sikhi. That said, what many Hindus don't realize about these old school Sikhs having Hindu-influence is that from the time when Prithi Chand rebelled against Guru Sahib until Singh Sabha Movement, the Haramandir Sahib hasn't had control of Sikhs and after Banda Singh Bahadur's reign ended, Sikhs lived in jungles and even more Gurdwaras had fallen under the Mahants. We can't completely base Sikhi on a purely historical context and we need Gurbani and Rehitnamas, (most important being Bhai Nand Lal's), to guide the Panth.

exactly they will bring the bs of there being idols in harmidner sahib and what not lol like sikhs didnt have control of our gurudwaras for a very long time. Even now these modern day mahants are doing similar non sense in Indian Gurudwaras.

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This whole conversation and many of it's facets boils to one conclusion. 

We need our own political state because ultimately we need power over our own affairs. 

If we have power, then we can leverage it for our own self interest. 

The problem we have is that we are good at leveraging power at an micro individual level but not at a macro collective level. 

I mentioned the word self-interest here but this is a dirty word for our Sikh psyche because our collective mentality is to be selfless and vand the power with non Sikhs. 

Our problems  (going to sound controversial )are grounded in our skewed Sikh values and principals. 

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Who cares about deep rooted this and deep rooted that.

There is no perfect society.

Let's just have our own country.

Nah, you're only saying that because you are part of the deep rooted horseshyte. We just need to look at Canada and see what a sad joke your 'culture' is creating over there. Given half a chance, only Waheguru knows what mess you'd create in Panjab. You've got a propensity for all sorts of gandh. 

Go back inside your community and start a strong debate about the stupidity of following and promoting an insular, 'colourful-bandhur', peasant culture in the 21st century, over a Sikhi based culture, and you'd actually be helping the panth.   

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