Why Are Sikh People So Against Radha Soami Path

[Mand5 4]

Why is it that sikhs are so against rs? First of all i wonder if we asked the great

Guru nanak dev ji if he had a problem with this rs path would

He to be as selfish as his follower never he would welcome everyone with

open arms as all the rs baba ji is doing is spreading the message,

just like the 10 gurus did, and to be honest this is where sikhs have got it

all wrong when they think the sikh bible is only for sikh it was meant

For all mankind not only sikhs and if we look deeper into the sikh bible

it is clearly writen that you have to search for a living spiritual teacher

And one who can give you the five holy names, im not here to upset

anybody simply want some answers

[Jaggaa 102]

If you're going to come onto a SIKH forum seeking answers to questions, you're going to have to stop referring to Guru Granth Sahib Jee as a "sikh bible".

[SikhWorldTv 243]

Mand5 I suggest you learn to be a bit more respectful before you think its right to question Sikhi in such an abrupt and negative manner. Just come out with it why pretend as you are a RS are you not comfortable with your "panth?"

I think the newbie monitoring system is broke as it is letting in all kinds of weird stuff

[Paneer Monster 234]

mand5 - im an ex radhasoami.....

before i continue, well done for seeking answers from another source other then your radhasoami community. for this i must commend your efforts. I use to ask my family questions, they use to tell me not to ask others because others are "non believers... they think there way is right"... also my family use to say "maharaji (rs baba) is a walking granth... those who insult him are acting in ignorance"... my friend... you, and all other radhasoamis that believe in this pakhandi baba have been brainwashed. i hate to disapoint you, but he isnt god - just the thought really does turn my stomach. the radhasoami baba is NOT antarjami (innermost knowing)... if he was, he would have knew my plans to turn to king of kings Guru Granth Sahib ji MAHARAJ - SACHE PATSHAH and he would have stoped me from doing so... but he didnt... hes nothing more then a con artist. please save your family from the falsehood of radhasoami. at their time of death u do not want them thinking of a pakhandi "maharaj"... or reciting a fake mantra. Everyone knows Gurbani is truth and real... you want your family thinking of Vaheguru and reciting Vaheguru at their time of death.

i can answer all your questions. please message me your phone numeber and we can have a chat.

many things wrong with radhasoami mat.

1 - randha soami land in beas is currently legally in the name of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Mahraj

2- radha soami forbids alchahol and meat... not tobacco... read into radha soami history, or read "the masters answers" and find out why tobaco is not forbiden (or allowed) in radhaosami faith

3-radha soami replaced sikh greating of WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH with "radhasoami"

4-radha soami replaced gurmantra with a fake mantra

5- radha soamis do not belioeve in guru manio granth

6- radha soamis do nothing for the victims of the 84 genocide - not even the radhasoami victims

7-radhasoami baba does not speak out against injustices (guru nanak sahib did)

i can go on and on and on. the list is truely endless. radhasoami baba is nothing... nowhere near our 10 satguru sahibs and guru granth sahib ji. the works of our Puran Satguru Sahibs is nothing short then the Work of God. All radha soami baba does is fool innocent and simple sangat - this is no achievement as punjabis are generally simple in nature.

Radha soami refuse to believe GURU granth sahib ji is guru... yet radhasoami mat use to be centered around Guru granth sahib ji. Guru Granth Sahib Ji use to be parkash in beas... they wheeled in sikh sangat with ttheir fake prachar... messing with Gurbani is messing with Vaheguru... this is not a small sin that can be overlooked. yes gurbani and guru granth sahib ji maharaj is universal... but that does not mean it can be misused. this is mahapaap (huge sin).

radha soami copy sikh traditions like guru ka langar, yet they do not believe its necessary to keep kara kachera kirpan kesh khanga...

they call dasam bani false in "spiritual letters" book

in "spiritual heritage" book they say sri harimanir sahib is just "brick and water" - how offensive

the other radhasoami book "guru nanak, his mystic teachings" - is wholly offensive to sikhs. bhai gurdas sahib's bani is discredited... they also disagree with the documentated history behind gurdwara panja sahib...

the list is endless.... i turely can go on and on.

why does radhasoami only mess with sikh history and sikh beliefs and not the beliefs of other faiths?? why does radhasoami baba keep sikh apperance??

regarding your comment "you need a living guru" this is true. guru granth sahib ji is alive. if you believe in guru granth sahib ji mahjaraj you will be aware of the following truths:

"bani guru guru hai bani vich bani amritsare"

"sun sun jeeva terey bani"

and others. there is no difference between gurbani and the guru.... we live by listening to GURBANI. we can not believe in what you guys believe in. satbachan is not gurbani... far from it. a sikh would never recite the words of tobacco users, and a sikh would never accept a tobacco user as their satguru. tobacco is strictly forbidden in sikh faith. even if gurbani told us to run to a living human for salvation (which it doesnt)... i would never run to the feet of such a fraudster radha sooami baba.

do not study gurbvani from pakhandi baba, please learn gurmukhi and study for yourself.

ive done it all... my family use to visit haynes park, and beas... we used to attend bhandara and put our names down for sewa...

i am so thankful that Vaheguru has saved my family from that path and brought us to the path of Gursikhi.

I am deeply saddened that there are literally millions of radha soami devotees.

its very saddening.

ill finish on this tuk of guru gobind singh ji maharaj..

sagal duar ko shhad ke, ghaiho tuharo duar, banhe gahe kio laj as gobind das tuhar - i have abandoned all gates (paths) and i have come to yours o lord, o lord please protect my honour and hold my arm, for i am your humble servant

for any mistakes bhul chuk maaf

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh.

(mand5, inbox me, we can discuss this further if you wish, i know its hard to accept... but believe me your baba is a fake... go back to the house of Our Puran Satguru's... we know for a fact they are real and true... have no doubts and embrace their pavitar bani)

[JSinghnz 1,086]

Awesome answer Paneer Monster.

I hope the OP will get the message loud and clear and come back to SIKHI.

[Paneer Monster 234]

it really saddens me...

all those poor radhasoami sangat. vaheguru. its really not their fault they have gone to rs baba because there is many problems in life, and its goto be said... our gurdwaras do not provide the support which our community needs. our leaders do not deal with grass root problems and communicate with us on a level. we (newer generations) need to identify these problems and take the lead in this.

radhasoamis do not practice gurbani kirtan. ALL OUR SIKH GURU SAHIBS PRACTICED GURBANI KIRTAN.... 5TH GURU SAHIB invented the saranda musical instrument... radhasoami baba says it is WRONG to use musical instruments for kirtan. when radhasoami's sing gurbani sahib, they never use instruments as its aginst radhasoami mat... this is stupid... musical instruments are CENTRAL TO SIKHI. radhasoami baba does not know better then our Satguru Sahibs. i can go on and on. i really can.

please save your family and accept the truth. dont take my word for it. study sikh history study gurbani then you will see why we are not willing to embrase radhasoami's as a part of the sikh community.

[Singh559 2,640]

Radha soami and dera choota sauda target unpard bibian (elder and young ladies) in India. These babay prey on young girls and abuse them and then the elderly unpard (uneducated) woman then convince the family to believe in this. Those who follow these cult leaders in the west should be ashamed they fall for such simplistic form of grooming.

Here's a documentary on these thugs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_wFx76yhH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40tl0nBWHJk&feature=plcp

[Singh559 2,640]

[hawk13 11]

Why is it that sikhs are so against rs? First of all i wonder if we asked the great

Guru nanak dev ji if he had a problem with this rs path would

He to be as selfish as his follower never he would welcome everyone with

open arms as all the rs baba ji is doing is spreading the message,

just like the 10 gurus did, and to be honest this is where sikhs have got it

all wrong when they think the sikh bible is only for sikh it was meant

For all mankind not only sikhs and if we look deeper into the sikh bible

it is clearly writen that you have to search for a living spiritual teacher

And one who can give you the five holy names, im not here to upset

anybody simply want some answers

I do not blame if u call our guru bible while other religious books r treated like books as it contains fiction storeies but Guru Granth Shiab is guru its words r guru words gurshabad if u listen to it in open mind even u may not be knowing gurbani u will understand it.Second concept is Guru Panth it is khalsa panth represented by Panch piaras,we have great sikhs like Bhai Taru Singh ji ,mANI sINGH JI WHO GAVEUP THEIR LIVES LIKE TRUE SIKHS.DOES RADHASOAMI SOCALLED GURU HAS GUTS TO GET HIS SKULL SEPERATED LIKE TARU SINGHJI .He is busy diverting river water to his dera in beas making farmers poor of 80 villages poor and homeless by encroaching on their lands what kind of guru u call him.

[VanHelsingh 1,979]

Never trust anyone you 'likes' their own post. :biggrin2: :blush2:

[Singh559 2,640]

worn off.

[VanHelsingh 1,979]

An eye-opener of a post from Paneer Monster.

Usually I'm of the frame of mind of live and let live (as long as beadbi isn't occuring or there's no intentional distortions designed to erode the very foundations of the Sikh faith) but as Paneer Monster brilliantly highlighted, such people turn to these sects out of desperation or, in some cases, laziness at not wishing to learn of the gem of a faith we already have.

I do agree there are those at the top of the Sikh faith who have a lot to answer for, but we can't blame others for our personal failings. There comes a time when, as individuals, we have to step-up and make the right choices.

[Mand5 4]

to be honest ive read everyone's comments and thank you for all the hate comments as the gurus would be so proud.

and to me the sikh bible is merely just a book or call an a to z guide to get back home, ive not once been disrespectful towards the sikh path nor would i ever as i too

am sikh. ive been following the sikh path since 12 and now im 33 and yes i think i do know what im talking about some of yous say ive disrespected the sikh pathbut read your own comments and see how you too have disrespected the rs path, beleave it or not i went to one of your sikh schools guru gobind khalsa college in chigwell and boy that was an eye opener to the bad thing sant baba amar das ji the fonder of this school now they took 1000s of sikh people and the early years that school was run hardly anyone got a good education explain that to me cos i too can go on n on about how they got it wrong plus they had the sikh bible in school and they were carrying on like that, now how bad is that, you call your sikh bible your 11guru lol its not me whos brainwashed mate,

you people have not studied the sikh bible properly yourselfs, ive been on the rs path for over 15 years n now i was given the gift of life the five holy names(naam) best thing ive ever done in mylife no way ever do i beleave ive been brainwashed,you people wanna disrespect me go for it for i wont disrespect back merely just give you a few home truths,

for one if the rs path was fake and present and past living masters(teachers) were fake too then one why is it that its run and more successful then the sikh path why hasnt it floped like other paths have?

and some of you people have been so rude towards the rs path how on earth can you call yourselfs sikhs when all your 10 not 11 gurus would be so so disappointed,

and this is where we get it all wrong that we think this earth is our true home when all the 10 gurus message was to show us the way bak Home not do what sikhs have been doing is making a foundation on earth all your answers are in the sikh bible but all you guys do is sit there infront of the bible lishening but yet not understanding one thing at all, you got the cheek to say im brainwashed when its your people who have changed the sikh teachings and brainwashed you lot, look deeper in the bible and you will clearly see that it says you need to seek a living master or teacher and one who has the five not 4 not 3 but five holy names now if that is what is writen why are sikhs not folloring that well cos for one thered be no need for temples because the true kindom of heaven is within each and everyone of us, the same message is in every bible out in all paths i call it paths cos thats what they were ment for but people take over and turn it into a religion only to control people, never has the masters of the rs path say that they are god nor did the 10 gurus say they were gods they were messagers from god just like the rs masters and if any of you lot wanna take this further then talk to baba ji himself and you will get the answers, n not im not trying to compare not murge the to paths together and baba ji doesnt just talk about sikhs so get over yourselfs they talk about all paths,why have i come on here thats right to defend my master cos none of yous have the right to disrespect like that and im quite sick n tired of all the stupid comment you people right, and you sikhs have over the years lishen carefully to what the rs masters satsangs and copied yourselfs and then made out we already knew this what a lot of nonsence, i too could go on n on n on like ariston.

the rs path has been going on for over 150 years whys hasnt it flopped if its fake and why havnt the sikh comumity taken him out like the other if you sikhs are so aginst the rs path then bloody do sumthing about it rather then chatting actions are alot more effective or are you sikh warriors scared.

well its true you lot are just full of words but no actions cos the way you lot say that rs path has copied n taken so much from sikh path how can you lot just sit there and do nothing,

im not gonna leave anymore comments here as its a waste of efford where i could be useing my time to better use.

and as for you paneer monster you havnt a clue go back to baba ji and ask questions on wat ive spoken about and plus you need to shutup with your fake arss comments thinking you know what your talking about you havnt a clue mate, not a clue so if you think im not going to insult you ur wrong with the stuff you have put on here ur a <banned word filter activated> with a capital D

how you think you know what your talking about makes me laugh you need to just jog on mate,and take your fake arss comments with you dont you ever disrespect my master like that oh and you want my number you mug jog on think before you speak ahhhh how sweet you wanna help me n ma family from getting brainwashed loooooool dont make me laugh mate.

and this is to all the sikh people the bible was created for mandkind not for sikhs alone and if you lot wanna point the finger at rs path and other paths first point at yourselfs, dont jugde others when you are not perfect cos if one was perfect he wouldnt be here he would be at home with the lord

ENJOY :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2:

MAND5 OVER AND OUT

PEACE

[Into the Light 148]

what i've noticed is that while there still maybe alot of elders that are Radhasoami...but their kids who are born/bred in UK question Radhasoami-ism and find it flawed...hence why i know of sooo many kids who don't want to associate or go to their satsangs in Bedford like their parents do and now call Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee their Guru (whether they're even kesdadhri or not).

I think the elder generation are uneducated and follow anything that walks, but their own next generation will come back into Gurmat...and i'm seeing that first hand happening now - i know of too many examples!

[singher23 145]

That dude is lost. Forget him