Question Bout Khalistan - Technicalities

[LegalSingh]

they have had arguments. Civil wars and persecution between protestants and catholics. Do we want that in Khalistan? Do you want different groups fighting like that? Tusi dekhi honhi Tuscon vaali video? You saw how they were beating each other up. Countless other examples of this. The Christians are O.K, the history is long and different groups set up. Churches are O.K, I have yet to see a police car pull up and stop a fight or stand guard during church elections!

You're saying the exact same things that Indian Hindus say when talking about Bhindranwala and the Golden Temple. You make the exact same mistakes as them through ignorance. Is it any wonder then you share this Indianess with them ?

You mistake the Sikh religion with semetic and other religions. You mistake the concept of a serene place of worship in Christianity where arms are banned with the Sikh Gurdwara. As Sikhism has no concept of priesthood etc, the Sikh Gurdwara holds a different place among Sikhs. It is not sen as solely a place for serene quiet meditation but a focal point for the community to rally under. A place where historically arms and ammunition have had pride of place. In any Christian church up and down the country, in contrast, the only people you find are old ladies from the women's institute. Hardly the type liable to engage in fisticuffs lest their hips give way.

So, ignoring the fact that police cars around the world have, over the last decade, been raiding church premises in their thousands due to endemic child molesting that took place withoin church premises, the local church off the High Street has cake making classes in their hall whilst the Gurdwara down the road is full of strong young boys and girls learning to wield the sword with deadly force in their gatka classes. One has people in it that are reserved, have a stiff upper lift, and are conditioned from an early age to not get animated and not speak with their hands and arms. The other place has people in it that speak in one of the world's rare tonal languages, where from the outside it seems like there's shouting going on, people that are naturally animated and expressive with their tone and manner. Snap out of the inferiority complex brother.

Every single reason that you, and the other apologists for India, give here arguing aginst Khalistan, can just as easily be applied to 75% of the nations already in existence. When you want a reason badly enough you'll find it. And some of you here clearly want reasons.

[THE WARRIOR]

There seems to be a growing view that “One cannot be Sikh without supporting khalistan” what is the viewpoint of the cybersangath on this?

[isingh1699]

There seems to be a growing view that “One cannot be Sikh without supporting khalistan” what is the viewpoint of the cybersangath on this?

There is a growing view also that one cannot support truly be in support of Khalistan unless he is willing to pick up a gun tomorrow and go fight for it physically as a lot of the old leadership in exile never did anything practical in last 29years.

[SevadaarEKhalsa]

ਬੜੇ ਅਫਸੋਸ ਦੀ ਗਲ ਹੈ ਕੇ ਸਿਖਾਂ ਨੂ ਇਹ ਹੀ ਨਹੀ ਪਤਾ ਕੇ ਖਾਲਸਤਾਨ ਦੀਆਂ ਸਰਹਦਾ ਕਿਥੋ ਤਕ ਹੋਣਗੀਆ। ਜੇ ਅਸੀਂ ਖਾਲਸਤਾਨ ਮੰਗਦੇ ਹਾ ਤਾ ਸਾਨੂ ਪਤਾ ਵੀ ਹੋਣਾ ਚਾਹਿਦਾ ਕੇ ਓਹ ਹਿੰਦੁਸਤਾਨ ਦਾ ਕੇਹੜਾ ਹਿਸਾ ਹੈ।

ਦਿੱਲੀ ਸਾਡੀ ਰਾਜਧਾਨੀ ਹੋਵੇਗੀ, ਤੇ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਤੋ ਇਲਾਵਾ ਹਰਿਆਣਾ, ਹਿਮਾਚਲ, ਉੱਤਰਖੰਡ ਦਾ ਕੁਝ ਹਿੱਸਾ, ਉਤਰ ਪਛਮੀ ਰਾਜਸਤਾਨ, ਗੁਜਰਾਤ ਦਾ ਭੁਜ ਇਲਾਕਾ (ਜੋ ਇਤਹਾਸਕ ਤੌਰ ਤੇ ਸਿਖਾਂ ਦਾ ਹੈ) ਜੰਮੂ ਆਦਿਕ ਖਾਲਸਤਾਨ ਦਾ ਹਿਸਾ ਹੋਣਗੇ।

ਵੈਸੇ ਤਾ ਖਾਲਸਤਾਨ ਦਾ ਸਮੁੰਦਰੀ ਕੰਡਾ ਹੋਵੇਗਾ, ਪਰ ਜੇ ਮਨ ਲੇਆ ਜਾਵੇ ਕੇ ਨਾ ਵੀ ਹੋਇਆ ਤਾ ਕੋਈ ਖਾਸ ਪਰੇਸ਼ਾਨੀ ਵਾਲੀ ਗਲ ਨਹੀ। ਅਨੇਕ ਹੀ ਦੇਸ਼ ਐਸੇ ਹਨ ਜੋ ਬਿਨਾ ਸਮੁੰਦਰੀ ਅਕਸੇਸ ਤੋ ਚਲ ਰਹੇ ਨੇ, ਜਿਵੇ ਸਵੀਸ ਆਦਿਕ।

[JSinghnz]

There seems to be a growing view that “One cannot be Sikh without supporting khalistan” what is the viewpoint of the cybersangath on this?

That is not right. Where have got this impression from?

We have to first become Sikhs in the real sense and only then talk about anything else.

[proactive]

Kudos to LegalSingh for countering what I can only class as the Uncle Toms on this forum.

If you listen to the speeches of Sant Bhindranwale, he constantly gave example after example of why the Sikhs are slaves in India. This is prior to Bluestar, Woodrose, the genocide of Sikhs across India and the fake encounters of Sikh youth. Now what was the reason for him to do all this? It was because of the uncle toms among the Sikhs who would come up with a thousand and one excuses to explain away the discrimination the Sikhs suffered.

Unfortunately for some people here, having a whole generation of Sikh youth murdered is not enough of a reason to want the future generations to be safe and secure in Khalistan. No is asking anyone to pick up an AK47 and go to India. All you need is to get rid of your slavish mentality and everything else will fall into place. Do you think that if the Sikhs of Punjab had the same josh as that which was displayed in London on Sunday that Badal would be in power today? The same slavish mentality on display here is what has kept the Punjab from having a decent leadership and for making progress to becoming Khalistan.

The Sikhs of Punjab have at least got a excuse to have a slavish mentality. They have suffered a genocidal campaign from the India state. The young are brainwashed to think of themselves as Indians when they have nothing in common with people who live less than 300 miles away let along a 1000 miles away. The media constantly brands anyone who believes in Khalistan as a terrorism. YET I have come across many Sikhs from India online who though they have been through all the mass brainwashing, they still have come to the conclusion that Khalistan is a must for Sikhs. Compare those Sikhs who have refused to be brainwashed by both the educational system and the media with the Uncle Toms who have access to the most unbiased sources of what the Sikhs suffered and yet they come up with a thousand and one reasons for why Khalistan should not come about.

But what excuse have the Neos and the fancy bananas on this forum have. Nations who have suffered 1/10th of what the Sikhs have suffered yet they still strive for independence. Nations that have not even suffered a massacre yet they still want to to be independence. Scotland gets from from the UK than they put in, yet a significant minority of the Scots want independence. Yet on here we have people who know full well that a generation of Sikhs was destroyed and the survivors are being turned into drug addicts. I could understand if after the massacres the Indian government had pumped money and investment into Punjab and turned Jalandhar into a Bangalore or Ludhiana into a NOIDA. But they didn't, not only did they murder our brothers, rape our sisters, they now want us to pay for the privilege! Punjab is saddled by debts going back to the movement days. No wonder the typical Indian consider the Sikhs as fools and only fit to be laughed at.

If an Indian government official was to see what drivel some of the uncles Toms on here have written, he would think that the Sikhs don't care how we treat them, they will still remain fools and argue whether there should be a Khalistan or not. Do you think that if the situation heats up again the government wont use the same tactics as before given how many Uncle Toms still exist in our nation.

[N30S1NGH]

^ The mother of all uncle Toms. :blush2:

A very very very poor, lame and sorry exuse for a Sikh.

On Sunday, in London there were tens of thousands of professional women and educated youngsters calling for Khalistan with passion in their hearts. Tens of thousands of them. And yet here you are portraying them as facists and criminals. You are an absolute disgrace neosingh. An absolute disgrace.

I am not against khalistan bro just afraid it might be hijacked by sikh extremist groups (hostile faction of ISYF and hostile faction within babar khalsa and others right wing element within dal khalsa /missionaries etc) thats all and for that reason khalistan should have religion and state separate. I am all for khalistan, even suggested in the past to make notes from tibet pm..how they even have prime minister and how he carried himself in interviews.. I have nothing but praises for tens of thousands of professional women and educated youngsters calling for Khalistan with passion in their hearts. You are legal singh, so you know better about laws and provisioning to avoid self interested groups hijacking the khalistan concept.

[ThunderousDominator]

Neo why are you judging khalistanis by random hotheaded pendus who have no real power behind there words why dont you judge them by the ones who actually faught and died for khalistan like shaheeds bhai jinda and bhai sukha and all the other shaheed kharkus would you classify them all as extremists

[N30S1NGH]

You are right, but everyone needs to know all aspects of khalistanis in the past, so they can make informed decisions and not make same mistakes and not let goons like them in the videos hijack our panth..our biggest problem in our community that we live in denial and we are mute when it comes to extremism in our community..we don't condemn bad apples in our community yet give them saairopas...these bad apples are only 1 percent but they make all noises because rest of panth sitting in denial..so let sanity prevail and say no more to those who hijack our panth- acknowledge there is a problem be candid and honest about it, and take steps to clean gandh in the panth from inside..i m sure those goons who are in the video, there are some like them sitting in canada, us, uk, beligum..they may be sitting silent and fingering youths subtly but be alert, ..anandpur sahib resolution is best and 10 years of hard work..i say everyone who wants khalistan, stick to anandpur sahib resolution, tweak it if its needed but stick to anandpur sahib resolution instead of reinventing the wheel and idiolizing person who gives rhetoric speeches...come on guys, we all know there is no denying there are fake sants so with same token there should not be any denying there are fake soorma's/sipahis..wake up..!!..

[WaljinderSingh]

If Khalistan will be formed it will be formed by 'Sant Khalsa'.

Most of the so called wise Sikhs ( including the ones on this forum) are Bheikhi.

Lift your jeevan high with Kehni and Karni and Guru Granth Sahib will grant its Khalsa Raaj they deserve.