Quran Found Before Prophets Time

[Kira]

Mate hes the no.1 comedian going, absolute joker of a preacher.

I think people generally go to watch him rant and rave for comedic effects.

Zakir Naik bashes other religions man. He mocks other religions for no reason.

He's not very nice no, but he has passion for his religion. Even though it's manifested in a very negative way lmao.

[Jonny101]

The article doesn't talk about Quran being older the Prophet Muhammad. It talks about an old manuscript being carbon dated back to the time of Muhammad. The MAXIMUM POSSIBLE range of carbon dating is two years before Muhammad. It doesn't mean that Qur'an is older than Muhammad. Carbon dating gives a range (as in between 500AD to 570 AD)..it means that the text could have been written in this era. Generally the texts fall between the maximum and minimum dates. So this manuscript wasn't written before Muhammad. It was most likely written during the time of Muhammad--which is quite amazing actually.

Interesting

But wasnt the Quran written down during the time of Uthman which is many years after Prophet Mohammed died? Before that it was memorized. So if this written Quran existed during or before the founder of Islam then it puts a big question mark on the claims of Muslims about Islam and the Quran. The Quran may very well have been plagiarized if this is true.

[Pakandi baba]

Gurbani is true, but just because something was found before actually being published doesn't make it false, not siding with them but even Muhammad said that Gabriel gave him the Qur'an he never claimed to make it himself.

Gurbani is true, but just because something was found before actually being published doesn't make it false, not siding with them but even Muhammad said that Gabriel gave him the Qur'an he never claimed to make it himself.

Hey don't let facts cloud your opinion, this is after all a Islam bashing & Mohammed ridiculing site!

Look at these haters salivating at the thought that Mohammed is not a Prophet like the Guru Sahibs have stated. No different from Ram, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc etc

Quran is mentioned in SGGS, are these imbeciles saying the Guru Sahibs were not knowledgeable if the Quran was fake or fabricated? The Gurus, the Lord God Incarnate at each stages they appeared?!

[Balkaar]

Quran is mentioned in SGGS, are these imbeciles saying the Guru Sahibs were not knowledgeable if the Quran was fake or fabricated? The Gurus, the Lord God Incarnate at each stages they appeared?!

You cannot believe in the Koran and Sri Guru Granth Sahib. Please explain how two things which completely contradict one another on so many subjects can both be right or issued by the same God.

To take but one instance of radical dissimilarity:

Quran - advocates pilgrimage, fasting

SGGS - Totally refutes pilgrimage and fasting.

Please don't dodge the question or change the subject. Please speak on the point I have raised above, if you choose to reply to me at all.

[StarStriker]

Hey don't let facts cloud your opinion, this is after all a Islam bashing & Mohammed ridiculing site!

Look at these haters salivating at the thought that Mohammed is not a Prophet like the Guru Sahibs have stated. No different from Ram, Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc etc

Quran is mentioned in SGGS, are these imbeciles saying the Guru Sahibs were not knowledgeable if the Quran was fake or fabricated? The Gurus, the Lord God Incarnate at each stages they appeared?!

ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥

ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ ॥

ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥

O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet,

I do not bring anyone else under my sight;

none other is liked by me now;

the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim

and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept any of their opinions;

The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours,

but I do not agree with any of them.

O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace,

what power can I have to write all this?

1 More thing einstein, so what if the quran is mentioned in gurbani, does that mean they are being praised? wat an idiotic thing to say, adam/eve are also mentioned, but does that mean we believe in adam/eve now n not evolution? If michael jackson was mentioned in gurbani, would that mean hes all of a sudden a prophet now too? Remember 1 thing, guru arjan dev ji (shaheeda da sartaj), was made shaheed by jahanghir, for wat reason?.....For refusing to put quranic praises and praises of prophet muhammed in the adi granth (SGGS), guru ji stated, ONLY the truth shall be put inside our scriptures.

[SheikhYoBooty]

Truly what a noble character the Prophet Muhammad was.

What a beautiful message the Quran brings to humanity regarding slavery, pedophilia, terrorism + rape of women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNCz9MXmcsw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbD2BZZsMbY

TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...

The Sex Life of the Prophet

Question:

Was Islam's "perfect man" sexually restrained?

Summary Answer:

The Quran (which was narrated by Muhammad) refers to Muhammad's life as "as beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (68:4). Yet, thanks to Allah's extraordinary interest in his personal sex life (as immortalized in the Quran) the prophet of Islam had sex with just about anyone he pleased.

Although the Qur'an didn't appear to have enough space for topics like universal love and brotherhood (which Muslims sometimes insist are there, but aren't), the list of sexual partners that Muhammad was entitled to is detailed more than once, sometimes in categories and sometimes in reference to specific persons (ie. Zaynab and Mary).

Muhammad was married to thirteen women, including eleven at one time. He relegated them to either consecutive days or (according to some accounts) all in one night. He had sex with a 9-year-old girl and married his adopted son's wife (after arranging a quick divorce). On top of that, Muhammad had a multitude of slave girls and concubines with whom he had sex - sometimes on the very days in which they had watched their husbands and fathers die at the hands of his army.

So, by any realistic measure, the creator of the world's most sexually restrictive religion was also one of the most sexually indulgent characters in history.

The Qur'an:

Allah managed to hand down quite a few "revelations" that sanctioned Muhammad's personal pursuit of sex to the doubters around him. Interestingly they have become part of the the eternal, infallible word of the Qur'an, to be memorized by generations of Muslims for whom they have no possible relevance.

Qur'an (33:37) - "But when Zaid had accomplished his want of her, We gave her to you as a wife, so that there should be no difficulty for the believers in respect of the wives of their adopted sons, when they have accomplished their want of them; and Allah's command shall be performed." No doubt millions of young Muslims, trying to outdo one another at memorizing the Qur'an, have wondered about what this verse means and why it is there. In fact, this is a "revelation" of convenience that Allah just happened to hand down at a time when Muhammad lusted after his daughter-in-law, Zaynab, - a state of affairs that disturbed local customs. The verse "commands" Muhammad to marry the woman (following her husband's gracious divorce). As for why this should be part of the eternal word of God...?

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! surely We have made lawful to you your wives whom you have given their dowries, and those whom your right hand possesses out of those whom Allah has given to you as prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who fled with you; and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her-- specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers; We know what We have ordained for them concerning their wives and those whom their right hands possess in order that no blame may attach to you; " This is another special command that Muhammad handed down to himself that allows virtually unlimited sex, divinely sanctioned by Allah. One assumes that this "revelation" was meant to assuage some sort of disgruntlement in the community over Muhammad's hedonism.

Qur'an (33:51) - "You may put off whom you please of them, and you may take to you whom you please, and whom you desire of those whom you had separated provisionally; no blame attaches to you; this is most proper, so that their eyes may be cool and they may not grieve, and that they should be pleased" This is in reference to a situation in which Muhammad's wives were grumbling about his preference for sleeping with a slave girl (Mary the Copt) instead of them. Accordingly, Muhammad may sleep with whichever wife (or slave) he wishes without having to hear the others complain... as revealed in Allah's literal and perfect words to more than a billion Muslims.

Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Another remarkably personal passage of sexual convenience in a book billed as Allah's perfect and eternal message to mankind. Muhammad was caught sleeping with a slave woman on the night that he was supposed to be with one of his wives. Initially promising to be faithful, "Allah" tells his prophet to break that promise and enjoy sex with his slaves. If his wives objected then "it may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you."

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." Allah even permitted Muhammad and his men to have sex with married slaves, such as those captured in battle.

From the Hadith:

Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad consummated his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine. (See also Bukhari 58:234 and many other places). No where in the reliable Hadith or Sira is there any other age given. Other references are Sahih Bukhari 3896, 5158 and 3311.

Bukhari (62:18) - Aisha's father, Abu Bakr, wasn't on board at first, but Muhammad explained how the rules of their religion made it possible. This is similar to the way that present-day cult leaders manipulate their followers into similar concessions.

Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).

Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

Muslim (8:3460) - "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you?" Muhammad posed this question to one of his followers who had married an "older woman" instead of opting to fondle a child.

Bukhari (4:232) - Muhammad's wives would wash semen stains out of his clothes, which were still wet from the spot-cleaning even when he went to the mosque for prayers. Between copulation and prayer, it's a wonder he found the time to slay pagans.

Bukhari (6:300) - Muhammad's wives had to be available for the prophet's fondling even when they were having their menstrual period.

Bukhari (93:639) - The Prophet of Islam would recite the 'Holy Qur'an' with his head in Aisha's lap, when she was menstruating.

Bukhari (62:6) - "The Prophet used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives." Muhammad also said that it was impossible to treat all wives equally - and it isn't hard to guess why.

Bukhari (5:268) - "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, 'Had the Prophet the strength for it?' Anas replied, 'We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty men.' "

Bukhari (60:311) - "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires." These words were spoken by Aisha within the context of her husband having been given 'Allah's permission' to fulfill his sexual desires with a large number of women in whatever order he chooses. (It has been suggested that Aisha may have been speaking somewhat wryly).

Muslim (8:3424) - One of several narrations in which a leering Muhammad orders a clearly startled woman to suckle a grown man with her breast so that he will become "unlawful" to her - meaning that they can live under the same roof together.

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty." Muhammad considered the women that he captured and enslaved to be God's gift to him.

Tabari VIII:117 - "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims." He sometimes pulled rank to reserve the most beautiful captured women for himself.

Tabari IX:139 - "You are a self-respecting girl, but the prophet is a womanizer." Words spoken by the disappointed parents of a girl who had 'offered' herself to Muhammad (he accepted).

Additional Notes:

Prophet Muhammad's sexual antics are an embarrassment to those Muslims who are aware of them. This is particularly so for their prophet's consummation of his marriage to Aisha when she was only nine years of age. The thought of a 54-year-old man called Prophet Muhammad sleeping and bathing with a young girl is intensely unpleasant and it reflects the disgusting character of a sexual glutton rather than a holy man. Critics even allege that Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile due to his wife Aisha being just under 9 years old when the marriage was sexually consummated.

[Singhni MiriPiri]

Lol sheikhyobooty, I wonder what your post-history is like, probably the same copy and paste text and videos lool so do you have a database where you store all this? :D Next time, you could just refer people to your post-history, it would save you from the trouble of copy and pasting every single time lool xD

[jkvlondon]

Forgive my lack of brainpower as I am severally drained right now but how is it before Muhammed's time. Carbon dating is giving a rough estimate which is very well within the time frame of Muhammed's life. I think more research needs to be done on this one. Anything over 800 years old is usually harder to date and approximations vary greatly.

It's still an interesting notion that Muhammed may have plagiarized the very scripture millions now follow.

Mohhamed is born 570AD had revelation around 610AD set up community in Medina in 622AD and the parchment is dated 568AD forty-two years prior to 'official' dates of Islam being revealed and founded.

[jkvlondon]

The article doesn't talk about Quran being older the Prophet Muhammad. It talks about an old manuscript being carbon dated back to the time of Muhammad. The MAXIMUM POSSIBLE range of carbon dating is two years before Muhammad. It doesn't mean that Qur'an is older than Muhammad. Carbon dating gives a range (as in between 500AD to 570 AD)..it means that the text could have been written in this era. Generally the texts fall between the maximum and minimum dates. So this manuscript wasn't written before Muhammad. It was most likely written during the time of Muhammad--which is quite amazing actually.

Interesting

the manuscript contains fragments of quranic suras ...since the official revelations of the Quran 'starts' closer to 600AD this manuscript does predate that 'history'

[Kira]

Mohhamed is born 570AD had revelation around 610AD set up community in Medina in 622AD and the parchment is dated 568AD forty-two years prior to 'official' dates of Islam being revealed and founded.

I see, Thank you for clearing that up. Was just back from work and absolutely tired.