Akal Takht Jathedar declares NivairJatha, Dhadriwale and Harinder ANTISIKH

[jkvlondon 5,246]

I don't know about you but I am glad this jathedar has some spine and is trying to search out the missing saroops and the culprits  also is not backing down from sikh sidhant in terms of dodgy parchariks

[kcmidlands 182]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

I spent time in a similar setting when I was a kid (under 10), and while, with God's grace, I managed to not fall victim to such shenanigans mostly due to my parents pulling me out in time, I observed the older "kids" (mid-teens and older) actively targetting the younger ones. They start friendly; an arm around the shoulder, etc., but then their hands start wandering; they make night-time visits to where the younger kids sleep, and before you know it the filth starts.

Sikh or not, where-ever there's young children, you will always have sexual predators gravitating to such places. Our institutions are no exception.

The issue is that people still have the mind set that this kind of thing doesn't happen in "Sikhi", when the whole NKJ thing kicked off you had educated people saying it could never happen in our religion, it's still seen as something that shouldn't be discussed out in the open, a "we'll take care of our own" mentality, didn't really do the catholic church much good in the end. If we see this stuff going on we all need to call it out and make it known that this isn't acceptable in Sikhi (or anywhere else for that matter).

 

50 minutes ago, Shaheed4life said:

Yea he called Jathedar ji a hypocrite.All the more sangat should listen to our jathedar and not NKJ.Just because NKJ says a couple of good things,that does not give them the right to say the wrong things and not be questioned.For example Harinder said mental illnesses cannot be cured by Gurbani.by that he is putting limitation on  Guru ji's capabilities.If we have full faith in our Guru he can solve all our problems.We dont have to see a worldly doctor,our physician  is Guru ji.

Bhul Chuk Maf

Yeah, he's spouted a lot of rubbish over the last few years, people are sheep, they need someone to follow, that someone is sat on their throne in every Gurdwara you visit yet people decide to follow snake oil salesmen like him.

Gurbani might not be able to cure mental health problems but it certainly helps, in  the last few month's of lockdown for me one of the only things that has saved me from loosing it completely is listening to Gurbani.

[MisterrSingh 3,859]

1 hour ago, kcmidlands said:

The issue is that people still have the mind set that this kind of thing doesn't happen in "Sikhi", when the whole NKJ thing kicked off you had educated people saying it could never happen in our religion, it's still seen as something that shouldn't be discussed out in the open, a "we'll take care of our own" mentality, didn't really do the catholic church much good in the end. If we see this stuff going on we all need to call it out and make it known that this isn't acceptable in Sikhi (or anywhere else for that matter).

The one thing that really got to me was some of the "sevadaars" with some power would only give tableh and harmoniums during kirtan training to the young boys who allowed them to be touchy-feely. Those of us who didn't like that bakwaas had to sit and watch at the side for hours as everyone else was getting acquainted with the instruments. Ever since I was born I wanted to perform kirtan, etc., but if the price for instruction was molestation by a creep, then I'm proud to say I can't play the tableh or the baaja to save my life, lol. 5hit like that ruins kids' dreams. I knocked that kirtan stuff on the head, but somehow still managed to retain my loyalty for the Guru. 8 years old and getting red-pilled about the realities of life. It's messed up.

[ipledgeblue 235]

35 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

The one thing that really got to me was some of the "sevadaars" with some power would only give tableh and harmoniums during kirtan training to the young boys who allowed them to be touchy-feely. Those of us who didn't like that bakwaas had to sit and watch at the side for hours as everyone else was getting acquainted with the instruments. Ever since I was born I wanted to perform kirtan, etc., but if the price for instruction was molestation by a creep, then I'm proud to say I can't play the tableh or the baaja to save my life, lol. 5hit like that ruins kids' dreams. I knocked that kirtan stuff on the head, but somehow still managed to retain my loyalty for the Guru. 8 years old and getting red-pilled about the realities of life. It's messed up.

I was in Guru Nanak School Hayes, some sewadaars only used to give the wajay to those who could already play keertan, and put others on the side, maybe give tabla to them.

[MisterrSingh 3,859]

17 minutes ago, ipledgeblue said:

I was in Guru Nanak School Hayes, some sewadaars only used to give the wajay to those who could already play keertan, and put others on the side, maybe give tabla to them.

The kids with well-connected parents -- dads who were already kirtaniyeh or involved in Gurdwareh -- were getting prioritised with the best instruments while the nobodies like me were at the back of the queue with dodgy paper printouts of musical notes and keys.

Kids who'd been raised around the scene with access to instruments all their lives already had an advantage, and you'd think it was the instructor's duty to bring the rest of us up to speed. But no. It's like we didn't exist. Ironically, I go from a place where I was with "my own" people, and I'm utterly dejected at the dodgy personalities and favouritism, yet I return to my English junior school, and I'm offered lessons in either a brass instrument or the piano based on a quick audition to assess whether I have any capability. Yet, apparently, goreh keep us down. Sorry, I've only ever been kept down by people of my racial and religious background. Whites have always given me a fair shake of the stick.

[kcmidlands 182]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

The one thing that really got to me was some of the "sevadaars" with some power would only give tableh and harmoniums during kirtan training to the young boys who allowed them to be touchy-feely. Those of us who didn't like that bakwaas had to sit and watch at the side for hours as everyone else was getting acquainted with the instruments. Ever since I was born I wanted to perform kirtan, etc., but if the price for instruction was molestation by a creep, then I'm proud to say I can't play the tableh or the baaja to save my life, lol. 5hit like that ruins kids' dreams. I knocked that kirtan stuff on the head, but somehow still managed to retain my loyalty for the Guru. 8 years old and getting red-pilled about the realities of life. It's messed up.

The whole things a mess, Gurbani and learning Kirtan isn't the property of the few, my own opinion is it's for all, if you follow Sikhi (whether you are amritdhari or not) you should be able to learn and thus connect with waheguru, those that are left out are taken advantage of by groups like NKJ, they'll follow blindly like sheep and believe their narrative because they tried the "proper" route and were pushed to one side because they weren't in the club (which, in itself, goes against the whole principle of a Gurdwara).

There are Dera's all over Punjab that take advantage of kid's like this and groom them into their way of thinking, people like Dhadrianwale have huge following and after a while gain the support of politician's because they can make their followers vote for who they want, this is the position Ram Rahim got to (I'm not comparing Dhadrianwale with him but the principle is the same) and now the same stuff's happening in the UK, like i said before, people are sheep.

[jkvlondon 5,246]

the whole kirtan instrument thing is all about who the ustad can boast on the back of , if you have an advanced or gifted student you can bask in the reflected glory of the person's past work not just current teaching. This whole granthi/sewadar thing is happening because we do not pay them sufficient wages to bring their families with them , it becomes an excuse for the bad behaviour . Gurudwarey should have a proper post of granthi which lasts years not months to ensure quality

[S1ngh 1,714]

Story of rags to riches and then the ultimate fall.

[dallysingh101 1,827]

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Sorry, I've only ever been kept down by people of my racial and religious background. Whites have always given me a fair shake of the stick.

I don't think that that reflects any sort of general trend though. Maybe the whites think you are cuddly and easily 'winoverable'?

Apnay in general are sociopathic, and that constant desire to outcompete your own is what you've been experiencing I guess. It's something we need to face up to and change in our community.    

[dharamyudh 105]

I got a family friend who actually knew Dhandri.  Thing was, this family friend is a known drinker and also abuses drugs. Kinda weird friend to have. Also my dad told me a story when he was younger. This was in the 80s, probably mid or late. Used to be a Jatha called the Bhindranwale Jatha (From what he told me) Which was a Jatha from India, which supposedly had ties to Sant Ji. So these guys were respectable figures. And these guys attended Smethwick gurdwara back then. Well, somebody told my dad to follow. They go through this alley way, enter a room. He told me he cracked the door open and saw these guys laid out drunk with bottles. Their paghs were rolled across the ground. 

[Kaurr 307]

3 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

 Also my dad told me a story when he was younger. This was in the 80s, probably mid or late. Used to be a Jatha called the Bhindranwale Jatha (From what he told me) Which was a Jatha from India, which supposedly had ties to Sant Ji. So these guys were respectable figures. And these guys attended Smethwick gurdwara back then. Well, somebody told my dad to follow. They go through this alley way, enter a room. He told me he cracked the door open and saw these guys laid out drunk with bottles. Their paghs were rolled across the ground. 

oof. That's concerning. Imagine if someone new to sikhi saw these people as great people and wanted spend more time with them to learn about sikhi, that would probably put them off.

[MisterrSingh 3,859]

6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I don't think that that reflects any sort of general trend though. Maybe the whites think you are cuddly and easily 'winoverable'?

I knew that would upset you. I'm not a ar5e-licker or a coconut, so don't try to play that cr4p with me.

[jkvlondon 5,246]

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9 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I knew that would upset you. I'm not a ar5e-licker or a coconut, so don't try to play that cr4p with me.

It is quite an eye opener to see the level of nepotism amongst our people and the crab bucket mentality when you are told to trust your own, only for the racist gora to give you the leg up.

[jkvlondon 5,246]

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