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Should it or not? The obvious answer most of you will reply with is Sikh migration to UK, Canada, USA, etc., but that's because the Punjab we know is still hovering in the back of our consciousness. We know it's there even if we aren't connected to it directly.

But what if Sikhi's link to Punjab was severed definitively? What would we lose as a people? What would we gain?

Is it necessary for a spiritual or religious movement to have physical, material roots in a specific geographic location, or is the only important consideration the ideology itself?

I'm not quite certain which side of the argument i stand.

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I think its very important for the survival of a religion and stability. Imagine a empire without a capital, where you supposed to hold court .. I think Its the reason why Guru Ji created Akal Ta

There is a deep connection of Sikhi with Punjab. It’s the place where Sikhi took root and survived and thrived. Beyond it, there were sangats in far corners of greater india and beyond, but we all kno

It's like I mentioned a couple of years ago. They want to force Sikhs out of Punjab by making life unbearable and unliveable for the population. Those who will have no choice but to remain will be men

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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I think its very important for the survival of a religion and stability. Imagine a empire without a capital, where you supposed to hold court ..

I think Its the reason why Guru Ji created Akal Takht Sahib to hold court. 

 

Aside from the surface pageant and pomp, do we truly control that institution? Currently, what can we actually physically do and affect (particularly anything that requires action external to Sikhs) as a result of any consensus reached within that court? 

I think a "home" is important for a distinct group with which they can identify; a base of sorts. So in this regard I agree with you.

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45 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Aside from the surface pageant and pomp, do we truly control that institution? Currently, what can we actually physically do and affect (particularly anything that requires action external to Sikhs) as a result of any consensus reached within that court? 

I think a "home" is important for a distinct group with which they can identify; a base of sorts. So in this regard I agree with you.

Punjab is like our headquarter, for the survival of any religion or community this is very important. I believe half the problems we are facing from other communities and the lack of representation is because we don't have our own country, now imagine if we didn't even have Punjab!  Regardless of how corrupt it is, being a slight majority in Punjab gives us a bit of political representation, imagine if we didn't even have that. 

Obviously currently the Takhts and Government are under very corrupt people, but this isn't the first time that this has happened, its happened many times in the past. Like when Guru Gobind Singh ji sat on the throne as a child the massands had taken over and were only removed when Guru Ji became an adult. I think the same thing happened after the empire collapsed, massands took over. 

We seem to have phases with Sikhi, ups and downs. Not sure where we stand atm lol   

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1 hour ago, Koi said:

It would not be wise, especially as we hold no actual sovereignty over any land.

Do you think we'll have any choice in the matter IF it ever comes to that point? 

The current farmer issue highlights how little control we have over anything of a practical nature.

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You only need to look the condition of others who do not have a state with a majority to see that they are on the brink of extinction. Look at the Parsis. Thye may been the wealthiest community in India but they are on their way to becoming extinct. Look at the Sindhis, they did not have the foresight to understand that they would have to leave Sindh after thye creation of Pakistan and look at their condition today. 

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Great points so far. The emerging issue I'm seeing is that Punjab is integral to our history and our way of being, but it's not really OURS. It's marooned in another country that is, let's be honest, hostile to our aspirations and state of being. Without political and other forms of temporal power we are at the mercy of external forces. 

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This is again where I feel we're similar to jews, again sorry I know you will not agree with me . and also you don't like me comparing sikhs to jews 😄 there's no comparison . we're indeed much richer in our history and faith, but when it comes to

"persecution,

losing land ,

scattering over the world " we're with the jews. 

the only thing jews have and we don't is they progressed it to 

"we got the land back and most the jewish diaspora from different parts of world come back " 

NOW, coming back to your question, Can sikhi be separated from Punjab ? Nope ! Can it be extended far beyond punjab ? A resounding Yes ! and infact should have been our policy. This "we don't proselytize" got us nowhere. It might make us appear cool to a few liberals , nothing more. Infact, if we truly believed sikhi was the most straight forward way to god, why would we not preach it to every human ?

ok lets ignore proselytization for a minute. Yes, we do need punjab region as roots, same way as islam needs arabia, christianity and judaism needs israel and hindus need india . We're connected to it, our history, our conscience , the baani of Guru Nanak dev ji uses old punjabi , so we need roots to punjab both geographically and linguistically . However, it doesn't mean we can't be majority or even rulers elsewhere. Mughals ruled india , despite islam being a religion connected to arabia . 

I understand the cause of this question arising. It is because you see how we feel politcally emasculated as a qaum . 

I will tell you one thing here. (something related to future events yet to come) 

My intuition for long has told me that something major is going to happen in this century or the next one. And if you see carefully , the signs of that have begun to appear on face of earth. For instance , I believed Russia India friendship will become cold. And now it seems this is happening . Since China is close friend and partner of Russia. 

World is about to get divided into two axis soon and smaller nations will be forced to pick up a side. And it seems india has already picked up US , as opposed to china and russia. I just have a gut feeling ww3 will erupt this way after the world has become bipolar. and in the aftermath of it sikhs will get raaj after a power vacuum happens . Just as we got it last time when power vacuum occured after marathas and afghans annihilated each other in third battle of panipat 

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10 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Sikhi has already lost half of Punjab (The Punjab in Pakistan) If we lose all of Punjab we have lost our nation.

whereever Guru ji's charan touched and whereever his flag is now flying high is his nation; Jagat Guru ji's kingdom is Jagat , a tree has roots but it grows and spreads fragrance and fruit everywhere.

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Panjab will always be integral to Sikhi. This reminds me of a passage in Panth Parkash where the Singhs requested to Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj to bless them with raaj over Panjab. However, Maharaj wanted them to think bigger: 

Furthermore, the panth and the Khalsa have always been considered chakravarti or otherwise free roaming. Can we really be considered this if we are inseparable from the beloved dharti of Panjab? However, mirroring what many have already said, Panjab is our headquarters and is essential (especially considering the current situation and the panth).  

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