Sikh Farmers vs Muslim Gujjar clash in Majitha, Amritsar

[ChardikalaUK]

1 hour ago, BhForce said:

Bro, what % are the Sunnis of Bahrain? The population is Shia.

Secondly, there's nothing to say that the Mullahs would have had the same power without state support.

The Punjabis who became Muslims by force could have been told you don't have to follow the Mullahs anymore. Just reverting to folk religions would have been fine.

Sunni vs Shia is very different to muslim vs non muslim. With all of the Islamic terrorism these days there is no doubt that an undivided Punjab would be a bloodbath.

We just needed a land where we were the overwhelming majority. It makes me laugh when apne think the break up of the greater East Punjab which included Haryana and parts of Himachal was a bad thing. It finally gave us a state where we were the majority, made Punjabi and Gurmukhi the official language. Even then we've messed that up and are now barely a majority. We aren't even a majority in the major cities of Punjab. Amritsar, Ludhiana, Jalandhar, Patiala all have more Hindus than Sikhs, I find that a joke!

I would hate to live in a sul majority greater Punjab with curly writing everywhere.

Demographics matter.

[proactive]

2 hours ago, BhForce said:

Bro, what % are the Sunnis of Bahrain? The population is Shia.

Secondly, there's nothing to say that the Mullahs would have had the same power without state support.

The Punjabis who became Muslims by force could have been told you don't have to follow the Mullahs anymore. Just reverting to folk religions would have been fine.

Punjab would be a very different place if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had the same strategy as the Spanish monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella had in Spain in 1492. They expelled the Muslims from Spain and only allowed those to stay who were prepared to convert to Catholicism. When some of these converts rebelled over the next century, the Spanish expelled them as well. Estimates of the number expelled are about 3 million out of a total population of 8 million, the majority of these were native Spanish speaking Muslims and not all were descendants of the Muslims invaders from north Africa.  So nearly 40% of the population expelled and what was the result, the Spanish golden age in which Spain managed to build up an empire across the oceans and create 'New Spains' all over the world. Can you imagine what Spain would have been like if they had kept all the Muslims in their country?  Just look at Bosnia and Kosovo. 

[proudkaur21]

1 hour ago, proactive said:

Punjab would be a very different place if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had the same strategy as the Spanish monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella had in Spain in 1492. They expelled the Muslims from Spain and only allowed those to stay who were prepared to convert to Catholicism. When some of these converts rebelled over the next century, the Spanish expelled them as well. Estimates of the number expelled are about 3 million out of a total population of 8 million, the majority of these were native Spanish speaking Muslims and not all were descendants of the Muslims invaders from north Africa.  So nearly 40% of the population expelled and what was the result, the Spanish golden age in which Spain managed to build up an empire across the oceans and create 'New Spains' all over the world. Can you imagine what Spain would have been like if they had kept all the Muslims in their country?  Just look at Bosnia and Kosovo. 

muslims got pakistan and it just became a failed state. Just look how many attacks happen there. Its good we got separated. Alot of people who talk about undivided Punjab dont know what it is like to live in muslim majority areas.

[SikhKosh]

Few Jathas of Singhs have been camping in the village and feeding the cows. They've openly challenged the Gujjars and said they will kick out Gujjars even if this issue gets settled. Luckily this incident woke up some in our nation.
See the Muslims chickening and using taqiyaa to ease the tensions and safeguard their future in Punjab... And foolish Sikhs are falling for it (nearly 7k likes). Also shame on the commie farm leaders who 'regret' the killing of the 2 attacker Muslim Gujjars and are being cucks to these gujjars.

5:21... there you have the magical word coming from the 'Sikh' farmer unionist. Bhaichara.............

 

[proudkaur21]

5 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

Few Jathas of Singhs have been camping in the village and feeding the cows. They've openly challenged the Gujjars and said they will kick out Gujjars even if this issue gets settled. Luckily this incident woke up some in our nation.
See the Muslims chickening and using taqiyaa to ease the tensions and safeguard their future in Punjab... And foolish Sikhs are falling for it (nearly 7k likes)

 

Man idk what's wrong with our people. Even after all this they will be talking about unity.

[proudkaur21]

6 minutes ago, SikhKosh said:

Few Jathas of Singhs have been camping in the village and feeding the cows. They've openly challenged the Gujjars and said they will kick out Gujjars even if this issue gets settled. Luckily this incident woke up some in our nation.
See the Muslims chickening and using taqiyaa to ease the tensions and safeguard their future in Punjab... And foolish Sikhs are falling for it (nearly 7k likes)

 

Our people are so foolish. This person is saying its so bad 2 gujjars died. So when they were threatening Sikh women with rape it was okay?  These people will be fine with anyone killing them. How foolish can one be?

[Jai Tegang!]

Some immediate steps our villages can take:

 

1. Stop purchasing gujjar milk

2. Pass village (panchayat) resolutions to prevent anyone from leasing/selling land to gujjars in the future

3. Terminate current leases with gujjars 

4. Offer to purchase back lands sold to gujjars

5. Push to get police raids done on their deras to rescue mentally challenged and trafficed people and FIRs on the culprits

6. Stop selling fodder to the ones who don't have land

 

Some long term plans:

 

1. Advocate to have land purchase laws similar to Himachal Pardesh to prevent non-punjabis from purchasing land in Punjab

2. Ban the gujjars from wild grazing. This is a huge problem as they take hundreds of their cattle and use public land to graze them on the roadsides. This also ends up damaging huge amounts of adjoining farmland crops. This public grazing also casues many many accidents and anyone that objects to them gets attacked by their whole kabeela.

[californiasardar1]

8 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Today we would be around 10% of the population of that Empire, I highly doubt we would still be in charge to this day if we didn't lose to the British. Also a lot of modern day East Punjab wasn't even in Ranjit Singh's empire for example Ludhiana, Patiala. At the end of the day we had an empire that lasted a mere 50 years. The suls ruled over a lot of India for several hundred years, the British were in India for 250 years and in Punjab for 100 years, so even the Brits ruled Punjab for double the time we did. It's sad but true.

 

And for most of those 50 years, the "empire" covered a relatively small area. Much of the empire was only under Ranjit Singh (and his successors') control for 10-20 years.

And as you mentioned, most of modern day Indian Punjab was not part of the empire. Probably half of the Sikh population of the time lived outside of the empire. Calling it the "Sikh Empire" is very misleading.

 

[californiasardar1]

6 hours ago, proactive said:

Punjab would be a very different place if Maharaja Ranjit Singh had the same strategy as the Spanish monarchs Ferdinand and Isabella had in Spain in 1492. They expelled the Muslims from Spain and only allowed those to stay who were prepared to convert to Catholicism. When some of these converts rebelled over the next century, the Spanish expelled them as well. Estimates of the number expelled are about 3 million out of a total population of 8 million, the majority of these were native Spanish speaking Muslims and not all were descendants of the Muslims invaders from north Africa.  So nearly 40% of the population expelled and what was the result, the Spanish golden age in which Spain managed to build up an empire across the oceans and create 'New Spains' all over the world. Can you imagine what Spain would have been like if they had kept all the Muslims in their country?  Just look at Bosnia and Kosovo. 

 

Expelling 38% of the population is possible. Expelling 80+%? I don't know.

[proudkaur21]

1 hour ago, Jai Tegang! said:

Some immediate steps our villages can take:

 

1. Stop purchasing gujjar milk

2. Pass village (panchayat) resolutions to prevent anyone from leasing/selling land to gujjars in the future

3. Terminate current leases with gujjars 

4. Offer to purchase back lands sold to gujjars

5. Push to get police raids done on their deras to rescue mentally challenged and trafficed people and FIRs on the culprits

6. Stop selling fodder to the ones who don't have land

 

Some long term plans:

 

1. Advocate to have land purchase laws similar to Himachal Pardesh to prevent non-punjabis from purchasing land in Punjab

2. Ban the gujjars from wild grazing. This is a huge problem as they take hundreds of their cattle and use public land to graze them on the roadsides. This also ends up damaging huge amounts of adjoining farmland crops. This public grazing also casues many many accidents and anyone that objects to them gets attacked by their whole kabeela.

what do you mean by 5? rescue mentally challenged people? Do they kidnap them?