What's holding Sikhs back?

[proudkaur21]

On 5/2/2022 at 12:07 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Look how sh1t this 'culture' is. Imagine what effect having these people as a majority in the panth must be? 

Look at 2.54 onwards, they've even dragged in some keshdhari kids in.........

Why do they do their hair cuts like this ? They look like clowns. "Expert jatt" lol this is culture for these people. And people think this culture is something to be proud of. Punjabi culture is clownery.

[proudkaur21]

On 5/1/2022 at 5:52 PM, dallysingh101 said:

One b1tch brings him his tray of bling!

 

The thing that's equally hilarious and scary about this, is that there is going to be a new generation of jut fudhoos raised up watching this. I don't know what effect this will have on their simple brains? 

The video gets better btw!

  

 

 

How does this nonsense help punjab and our homeland in any ways??

[californiasardar1]

On 4/30/2022 at 9:37 PM, dallysingh101 said:

What's holding Sikhs back?

 

 

 

 

 

 

jatt jatt jatt jatt

 

From these songs, you would think that "jatt" is the most commonly uttered word in Punjabi. And maybe it is heading in that direction nowadays, thanks to this garbage music

 

My impression is that this obsession with being jatt has gone into overdrive in the last few decades thanks to trashy Punjabi pop culture. Would you guys agree?

Personally, I can't even recollect my parents using the word "jatt" when I was growing up. I always knew we came from a farming background, but they were somehow able to get that across without resorting to "jatt jatt jatt blah blah jatt jatt" like these singers. Ironically, the first time I was exposed to the notion of "jatt" was at the Gurdwara from some bhangra-obsessed "friends."

[californiasardar1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSDxjp6sWYQ

[MisterrSingh]

46 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

Personally, I can't even recollect my parents using the word "jatt" when I was growing up.

Same here.  Never even a point of discussion. It's not as if we were a highly sophisticated or educated unit that had transcended our farming roots, lol, but it was always more about trying to adhere to Sikh morals and ethics where caste and other stuff was ignored.

In some ways I wish there had been discussions of these issues when I was growing up, because when I went out into the big bad world by myself, it became patently clear most Sikhs of various backgrounds abide by caste prejudices regardless of where the commonly accepted caste power dynamics are acknowledged to originate. But this forum has educated / corrupted me wonderfully well. I think I'm up to speed on it all now.

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

Why do they do their hair cuts like this ? They look like clowns. "Expert jatt" lol this is culture for these people. And people think this culture is something to be proud of. 

This has made 'Panjabi culture' into a complete low IQ joke now. And it's disturbing because we live in an increasingly unstable world and we need intelligent and prudent direction for the panth right now, not this fantasy world being being projected that has very little correspondence to reality. It's actually delusional and dangerous, and takes a big chunk of the panth into retard territory which has serious long term implications. 

 

1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:

My impression is that this obsession with being jatt has gone into overdrive in the last few decades thanks to trashy Punjabi pop culture. Would you guys agree?

It's definitely worse than it has ever been in my life, and way worse than just twenty years ago. People discussed it back then at uni (I remember), but I now realise people from a certain background were routinely lying about their allegiance to this crap.    Now look at what low brow, dead end they've taken the panth to through it. 

It's almost like a devious plan by an enemy of Sikhi come into full fruition. Turn us into dimwits.  

[Premi5]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

This has made 'Panjabi culture' into a complete low IQ joke now. And it's disturbing because we live in an increasingly unstable world and we need intelligent and prudent direction for the panth right now, not this fantasy world being being projected that has very little correspondence to reality. It's actually delusional and dangerous, and takes a big chunk of the panth into retard territory which has serious long term implications. 

 

It's definitely worse than it has ever been in my life, and way worse than just twenty years ago. People discussed it back then at uni (I remember), but I now realise people from a certain background were routinely lying about their allegiance to this crap.    Now look at what low brow, dead end they've taken the panth to through it. 

It's almost like a devious plan by an enemy of Sikhi come into full fruition. Turn us into dimwits.  

 

https://www.myjoyonline.com/dancing-police-officer-shows-off-new-moves/

Dancing police officer shows off new moves

Source: BBC  

  23 April 2022 7:54am

 

An officer was seen showing off his bhangra dance moves with a group of volunteers at a Commonwealth Games warm-up event in footage released by West Midlands Police.

Student officer Gorvinder Chima “got his dancing shoes on” at the event in Perry Barr to the popular bhangra track Mundian To Bach Ke.

[proudkaur21]

48 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

 

https://www.myjoyonline.com/dancing-police-officer-shows-off-new-moves/

Dancing police officer shows off new moves

Source: BBC  

  23 April 2022 7:54am

 

An officer was seen showing off his bhangra dance moves with a group of volunteers at a Commonwealth Games warm-up event in footage released by West Midlands Police.

Student officer Gorvinder Chima “got his dancing shoes on” at the event in Perry Barr to the popular bhangra track Mundian To Bach Ke.

They just start doing bhangra anywhere..... whyyyyyyyyyy

[dallysingh101]

4 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

Personally, I can't even recollect my parents using the word "jatt" when I was growing up. I always knew we came from a farming background, but they were somehow able to get that across without resorting to "jatt jatt jatt blah blah jatt jatt" like these singers. Ironically, the first time I was exposed to the notion of "jatt" was at the Gurdwara from some bhangra-obsessed "friends."

I think that's a major part of the problem. I never knew caste even existed in the panth until I was a teenager and met some african-jut 'friend' at school who was going on about it (surprise surprise). Then we go through that weird day when you go home and ask your parents or parent: "what caste are we?"  and your whole perception of your community changes from then on.   I know some of my old pals grew up watching their father full on getting plastered on weekends going "main jut aaahhn! juttt!" and acting like an ar5e (especially to their moms). 

Parents pretending like casteism doesn't exist don't help at all either because this thing needs to be robustly countered and challenged, not ignored. People ignoring it as if it is some innocuous thing has helped it spread like a virulent cancer, where it now infects most of the body.  

It's not some small thing either: Outsiders (like anglos) have previously used these dumbos as proxies to infiltrate and control the whole panth. They've completely corrupted all Sikh institutes with their biraderi consciousness over Sikh brotherhood consciousness. 'Sikh politics' is a joke with votes having been bought with alcohol for decades now. Silly habits like excessively exuberant barn dancing, wedding ostentation, alcoholism to has spread to the rest of the jaats as well now.  The mainstream Panjabi 'culture' these people have created and promoted is an embarrassment to any Panjabi with a smattering of intelligence. Maybe worse of all is the economy of Panjab, which is a ticking time bomb with no robustness whatsoever, that directly relates to the large amounts of suicide taking place over there. 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

On 5/3/2022 at 3:59 AM, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Why? 

Because Sikhi cannot be restricted to Majha and Malwa alone.

It is the one and only Truth that can benefit all of Humanity.

Sikhs were a minority demographic in every single district of Punjab in 1947 and it is only through the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs that Sikhs ended up becoming a majority in Majha and Malwa. And Sikhi cannot be restricted to just those two areas of Punjab (with Sikhs being a minority in Doaba) and we need to redouble parchaar to non-Punjabi's and non-Muslim black Africans as Guru Sahib are Jagat Guru for the whole World.

22 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Or if he did mean minority then he might have a point. The Malwa and Majha adherents ... tend to discard the beauty and nuance of Sikhi. Just my opinion.

Yes this vision that it's somehow ok for Sikhi to be restricted to those who are born into Sikh families in the two areas of east Punjab where Sikhs are still a majority is a parochial vision given that after 500 plus years of Sikhi in Punjab only 10% of the present day inhabitants of erstwhile united Punjab are Sikh. We need to look at new Sikhs (primarily non-Punjabi's) that can rejuvenate the spirit of the whole Panth.

13 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

1. My impression is that this obsession with being jatt has gone into overdrive in the last few decades thanks to trashy Punjabi pop culture. Would you guys agree?

2. Personally, I can't even recollect my parents using the word "jatt" when I was growing up. 

1. It is too simplistic and conveniently easy to just say that it is trashy Punjabi pop culture that has caused all this. Gangster Rap is not the only reason why African Americans are suffering in America (though of course the messaging given to AA youth by an industry where the main real profits are controlled by non-Black financiers is a part of the destruction of their community).

The cultural targetting of a sub-community which is only one fifth of the population of east Punjab (but 40% of the Sikh population in east Punjab) is part of a systematic attempt by the deep state (RAW) to destroy Sikhi and destroy Unity amongst Sikhs who are casteless by definition and replace the same with a mindless culture of anti-Sikh lifestyles involving caste pride, drugs, crime, alcohol, promiscuity, casual sex, abortion and the absolute opposite of the hard-working identity that ALL Sikhs were renowned for prior to 1984 and which Sikhs exhibit overseas.

United we Stand as we see with our Panj Piare from Karnataka, Odisha, Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh and Sialkot in 1699 but Divided we fall as we see in the exponential growth of these apartheid cancer mindsets being infiltrated into the Qaum since 1984.

2. It shows your parents are good and intelligent Sikhs. Why would any Sikh be more proud of a tribal identity which is mostly Muslim and 85% non-Sikh and contains such anti-Sikh luminaries as Liaquat Ali Khan (1st Prime Minister of Pakistan), General Bajwa (current ruler of Pakistan), Air Chief Marshal Sidhu (Chief of the Pakistani Air Force) and Sajjan Kumar and the majority of the Delhi Police from 1984 when Sikhs were burnt to death by Congress goons not to mention the majority of Mirpuri groomers.

The only thing Sikhs can possibly have pride in is Sikhi which stands for the obliteration ("kul nash") of the Hindu and Muslim caste system and our Qaumi Shaheeds who valiantly discarded their esrtwhile identies of Mazhabi (Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji), Jatt (Baba Deep Singh Ji), Ravidasi (Shaheed Bhai Sangat Singh Ji), Tarkhan (Shaheed Bhai Sukha Singh Ji), Rajput (Bhai Mani Singh Ji), Brahmin (Shaheed Bhai Mati Das Ji), Gujjar (Mata Gujjar Kaur Ji), Arora (Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa Ji), Chimba (Bhai Mokham Singh Ji), Nai (Bhai Sahib Singh Ji), Jhiwar (Bhai Himmat Singh Ji) and too many amazing GurSikhs to mention that became some of our bravest Gurmukhs without any caste affiliation as Sikhi despises the caste system. 

They were fearless Shaheeds because they were dedicated Sikhs of the Guru and not on account of the erstwhile family identities which they discarded and paid no heed to.

13 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

it became patently clear most Sikhs of various backgrounds 

I disagree. I sincerely believe that the casteist elements amongst some of those of Jatt, Tarkhan, Ravidasi, Khatri, Bhatra ancestry backgrounds in the UK, for example, are a sponsored minority among each (albeit loudly barking and carrying influence beyond their minority numbers) of those backgrounds respectively. I firmly believe that any Sikh with half a brain cell is opposed to the Hindu and Muslim concept of caste and supports the ongoing campaign for only one United Gurdwara per pind in Punjab (or locality in the West).

12 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

It's almost like a devious plan by an enemy of Sikhi come into full fruition. Turn us into dimwits.  

That's exactly what it is. As a united casteless Sikh Panth there is nothing that Sikhs cannot achieve together. But if we fall prey to this apartheid agenda by RAW to divide and destroy the Sikh Panth via apartheid golak's and apartheid matrimonial circles then we will only have ourselves to blame.

We as the Sikh Diaspora need to put our money where our mouth is and put everything into the campaign to unite each and every pind in Punjab under a single united casteless Gurdwara for all (starting with our own ancestral pinds that we are from).

10 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

1. I never knew caste even existed in the panth until

2. People ignoring it as if it is some innocuous thing has helped it spread like a virulent cancer, where it now infects most of the body.  

3. Maybe worse of all is the economy of Panjab, which is a ticking time bomb with no robustness whatsoever, that directly relates to the large amounts of suicide taking place over there. 

1. Exactly, the common thread amongst those who care about Sikhi is that everyone who does so hates and despises the Hindu and Muslim caste system. Our whole Itihaas is 100% about the non-validity of caste identities and the fact that most of our Panj Piare and most of our humble sincere Gursewaks are from the castes the Hindu's and Muslims despise and exclude the most means we need to fight casteism within a loudly barking minority that are working to destroy the community from within on behalf of their RAW handlers.

We need an emphatic Don't Ask, Don't Tell and Don't Promote mentality when it comes to any other identity besides Sikh.

2. What the deep state (RAW) has achieved in terms of destroying the Sikh Panth via their proxies from within since 1980 is standard silent Genocide copied from the playbook the racist Slavemaster Empires employed in the America's, Africa and Australasia etc. We as Sikhs cannot sit still and allow apartheid mindsets to set the agenda and define what Sikhi is perceived as.

The Dharam Yudh to unite every single pind (and locality in the West) under a single united casteless Gurdwara in the next 5years will be the key to defeating this cancer, ending matrimonial apartheid and uniting the Qaum. When the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs was carried out the Muslim Jatts, Muslim Rajputs, Muslim Brahmins, Muslim Khatri's etc did not care which profession the Sikhs followed when killing our people in 1947.

Neither did any Congress goon bother to check the caste birth certificates issued since 1980 before burning thousands of Sikhs to death in November 1984 in Delhi. We Sikhs recognise that all professions are equally noble and meritorious by default in contrast to Christianity, Islam and Hinduism (which promote Slavery and the oppression of Manu Smriti respectively).

3. Strangling the economy of Punjab and discouraging investment into east Punjab by overseas Sikhs is all part of the deep state (RAW) agenda parallel to the mindless anti-Sikh and so-called Punjabi entertainment industry controlled by Hindu's and Muslims.

However, if Bhagwant Mann can encourage tourism and investment by overseas Sikhs then the economy may well grow more than the 50% it is projected to over the next 5years.

Up until 1984 Punjab was the strongest state economy in India, however, lumping all the debt on to the state for the Congress Genocide of Sikhs was a clever trick to depress economic growth in Punjab. Pakistani assets like Pannun are also used by RAW simply to discourage investment into east Punjab. We as ordinary Sikhs have to do our part by focussing our money and travels to east Punjab (never enriching the terrorist Pakistani regime in the vicinity).

And focussing all our efforts on educating the poorest Sikhs in east Punjab and building a service economy in which Diaspora Sikhs can financially benefit as well as uplifting our own in east Punjab (which is projected to be a $1 trillion economy by 2050 as part of a $42trillion economy in India).

The question is do we want to be an ever decreasing minority in Punjab by that time (2050) or do we as ordinary Sikhs who are sickened by the casteism of a vocal minority working for anti-Sikh forces and sickened by the lack of Unity and pyaar within the Panth have what it takes to play our part to helping the Sikh Panth become the biggest united casteless non-Muslim indigenous community in India with a 100 million plus demographic within 28years time.

Uniting each and every pind in Punjab under a single casteless Gurdwara and stamping out the disease of matrimonial apartheid that it has helped promote within the next 5years will be key to determining which scenario of the two plays out. We need a Dharam Yudh on this basis far more today than we ever arguably did 40 years ago.