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i have often thought this, if the british still ruled india, things could have been better for the sikhs. i wonder when the indians will ever learn.

He is a legend. Very difficult to find another like him especially for Dasam Bani. The following is amazing

This is so tradgic, i really feel for her family, Waheguru ji give them strenght. you know i sometimes think did people in india deserve to be freed from the tyrany of the mughals or are these people better of being oppressed as they have no morals are getting worse day by day, is there no limit to the sins people do in this country!! you never hear of these kind tragedies in the uk or other western countries, Why? Because no matter how bad the british may have been in the past they have certainly become civilised now but india is still an uncivilised country today! I am sorry if i have hurt anyones feeling and there are good people there too but not many it sems,this just makes me so angry , sad etc :angry2: :no: Once again thankyou Waheguru ji that my family and i dont live in india :respect:

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Baba Baldev Singh ji balandpuri are in UK doing katha in Walsal from the 14th to June 1st. His katha is heavily focused on Naam and he gives very clear descriptions of Gurmat from a spiritual point of view. PM me if you need the address of the gurdwara.

My friend, WHat if you donot even know wheather the other person has actually done anything wrong and still you are doing nindiya of that person ....that is wrong. if you know (100%) that for eg: The other person has disrespected Guru Sahib....then as per guru Maryada....make him understand thrice...if still not understood then Raise ur Shaster and cut him off

he is outstanding :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect:

Just to let you all know that I am in this photograph and was at the show, and the question as to why there are no Sehajdhari in the photo..?! This is because there were none at the SYP show...! However, If any Sehajdhari wish to attend the meeting they will be held in most local Gurughars (see Image) and are MORE then welcome to attend and are encouraged to attend the meeting as they are apart of our wider Sikh Community..! So instead of CREATING A LOAD OF CRAP get down to your local meeting and be apart of the SIKH YOUTH FORUM....!

Self-analysis

saahib nitaani-aa kaa taan sireeraag mehlaa 5. Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl: jaa ka-o muskal at banai dho-ee ko-ay na day-ay. When you are confronted with terrible hardships, and no one offers you any support, laagoo ho-ay dusmanaa saak bhe bhaj khalay. when your friends turn into enemies, and even your relatives have deserted you, sabho bhajai aasraa chukai sabh asraa-o. and when all support has given way, and all hope has been lost chit aavai os paarbarahm lagai na tatee vaa-o. ||1|| -if you then come to remember the Supreme Lord God, even the hot wind shall not touch you. ||1|| saahib nitaani-aa kaa taan. Our Lord and Master is the Power of the powerless. aa-ay na jaa-ee thir sadaa gur sabdee sach jaan. ||1|| rahaa-o. He does not come or go; He is Eternal and Permanent. Through the Word of the Guru's Shabad, He is known as True. ||1||Pause|| jay ko hovai dublaa nang bhukh kee peer. If you are weakened by the pains of hunger and poverty, damrhaa palai naa pavai naa ko dayvai Dheer. with no money in your pockets, and no one will give you any comfort, su-aarath su-aa-o na ko karay naa kichh hovai kaaj. and no one will satisfy your hopes and desires, and none of your works is accomplished chit aavai os paarbarahm taa nihchal hovai raaj. ||2|| -if you then come to remember the Supreme Lord God, you shall obtain the eternal kingdom. ||2|| jaa ka-o chintaa bahut bahut dayhee vi-aapai rog. When you are plagued by great and excessive anxiety, and diseases of the body; garisat kutamb palayti-aa kaday harakh kaday sog. when you are wrapped up in the attachments of household and family, sometimes feeling joy, and then other times sorrow; ga-on karay chahu kunt kaa gharhee na baisan so-ay. when you are wandering around in all four directions, and you cannot sit or sleep even for a moment chit aavai os paarbarahm tan man seetal ho-ay. ||3|| -if you come to remember the Supreme Lord God, then your body and mind shall be cooled and soothed. ||3|| kaam karoDh mohi vas kee-aa kirpan lobh pi-aar. When you are under the power of sexual desire, anger and worldly attachment, or a greedy miser in love with your wealth; chaaray kilvikh un agh kee-ay ho- aa asur sanghaar. if you have committed the four great sins and other mistakes; even if you are a murderous fiend pothee geet kavit kichh kaday na karan Dhari-aa. who has never taken the time to listen to sacred books, hymns and poetry chit aavai os paarbarahm taa nimakh simrat tari-aa. ||4|| -if you then come to remember the Supreme Lord God, and contemplate Him, even for a moment, you shall be saved. ||4|| saasat simrit bayd chaar mukhaagar bichray. People may recite by heart the Shaastras, the Simritees and the four Vedas; tapay tapeesar jogee-aa tirath gavan karay. they may be ascetics, great, self-disciplined Yogis; they may visit sacred shrines of pilgrimage khat karmaa tay dugunai poojaa kartaa naa-ay. and perform the six ceremonial rituals, over and over again, performing worship services and ritual bathings. rang na lagee paarbarahm taa sarpar narkay jaa-ay. ||5|| Even so, if they have not embraced love for the Supreme Lord God, then they shall surely go to hell. ||5|| raaj milak sikdaaree-aa ras bhogan bisthaar. You may possess empires, vast estates, authority over others, and the enjoyment of myriads of pleasures; baag suhaavay sohnay chalai hukam afaar. you may have delightful and beautiful gardens, and issue unquestioned commands; rang tamaasay baho biDhee chaa- ay lag rahi-aa. you may have enjoyments and entertainments of all sorts and kinds, and continue to enjoy exciting pleasures bahut Dhanaadh achaarvant sobhaa nirmal reet. You may possess vast riches, maintain virtuous conduct, have a spotless reputation and observe religious customs; maat pitaa sut bhaa-ee-aa saajan sang pareet. you may have the loving affections of mother, father, children, siblings and friends; laskar tarkasband band jee-o jee-o saglee keet. you may have armies well-equipped with weapons, and all may salute you with respect; chit na aa-i-o paarbarahm taa kharh rasaatal deet. ||7|| But still, if you do not come to remember the Supreme Lord God, then you shall be taken and consigned to the most hideous hell! ||7|| kaa-i-aa rog na chhidar kichh naa kichh kaarhaa sog. You may have a body free of disease and deformity, and have no worries or grief at all; mirat na aavee chit tis ahinis bhogai bhog. you may be unmindful of death, and night and day revel in pleasures; sabh kichh keeton aapnaa jee-ay na sank Dhari-aa. you may take everything as your own, and have no fear in your mind at all; chit na aa-i-o paarbarahm jamkankar vas pari-aa. ||8|| but still, if you do not come to remember the Supreme Lord God, you shall fall under the power of the Messenger of Death. ||8|| kirpaa karay jis paarbarahm hovai saaDhoo sang. The Supreme Lord showers His Mercy, and we find the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy. ji-o ji-o oh vaDhaa-ee-ai ti-o ti-o har si-o rang. The more time we spend there, the more we come to love the Lord. duhaa siri-aa kaa khasam aap avar na doojaa thaa-o. The Lord is the Master of both worlds; there is no other place of rest. satgur tuthai paa-i-aa naanak sachaa naa-o. ||9||1||26|| When the True Guru is pleased and satisfied, O Nanak, the True Name is obtained. ||9||1||26|| FATEH

Gurfateh Ji Please find attached the Sarbat (LGBT Sikhs) statement on the UK Same Sex Marriage Bill (PDF). Incase of difficulty opening the attachment, the text version is below. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sarbat Sarbat statement on the UK Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill We at Sarbat are delighted to see the second reading of the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill overwhelmingly voted in favour by a majority of MPs (400 to 175). The Bill will extend the legal form of marriage to lesbian, gay and bisexual couples and permit religious groups to perform such marriages should they wish. This is an important step towards equality for same sex couples. An overwhelming majority of the public now favour allowing same sex couples to marry, and support has increased rapidly. Most people now agree that it will strengthen, and not weaken the institution of marriage. Sarbat actively promotes the rights of LGBT Sikhs. The Sikh faith enshrines equality for all and it does not discriminate against gay men or women who wish to make a life-long commitment to each other. We believe that there is no room for discrimination within our community for being who we are. Indeed, Sikhism being a progressive religion, built upon the fundamental principle of “all being equal” – any such discrimination would be going against Sikhi itself. There is no reason why a committed Sikh couple should not be allowed to get married in a Gurdwara. The Lavaan (Sikh Wedding Hymns) are also non-gender specific, and so same-sex marriage is possible within the Sikh Dharam. However, most Gurdwaras (Sikh places of worship) in the current time would be reluctant to conduct a same-sex marriage because of an edict made by the Jathedar (Leader) of the Akal Takht in 2005 which banned same sex marriages. Sarbat’s view is that this guidance is flawed. It is based more on cultural and personal bias, rather than on a view of Gurbani (holy scriptures). Furthermore, the guidance issued is contrary to Sikh teachings. This statement is not in the spirit of his appointment, which is to promote Sikhi values and principles and to issue guidance and statements that are rooted in Sikhi. We invite the Jathedar Sahib to issue a clarification of his original statement, explaining what Sikh principles and teachings he draws on to reach his conclusion. The Jathedar has been heavily criticised in the past for making ill-judged comments. The case of the Delhi rape victim in December 2012, being one such example. We remain optimistic that, this most basic of human rights, will be recognised by the larger Sikh community. Sarbat is a social and support group for and by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered Sikhs. We offer a platform for like-minded Sikhs from all walks of life, and aim to promote the LGBT Sikh cause in a fair and courteous manner. Sarbat Sarbat Statement on UK Marriage Bill 2013.pdf

Thanks veerji

When quoting shabas, we should quote the ang numbers where possible.!! Above is ang 70 from what I gather- Just a little comment below that I had made previously elsewhere with reference to this shabad.- Has there ever been a moment in your life, even if it was for a few minutes- when you felt so loved and connected with everything around you? A moment where you suddenly felt that you realized everything and you were a part of this WHOLE universe and this same universe was a HUGE part of you ?? It's a feeling where you suddenly feel blessed and want this whole blessing to be experienced by everyone and everything around you. If you have had this short lived feeling of anand or bliss, then this is the only thing that remains permanently engrained on your soul. When you feel pushed or on the edge, just try and connect to that same moment and in an instance you can forget what you were fretting about. The above shabad tells us to remember and connect with him for that moment. It's not just remembering in mind, but it is connection of the whole mind, body and soul. It's more than just surrender and submitting, it's actually becoming ONE and like with him. When this happens you feel that you ARE the Universe and the Universe is you, so all this worry is just a product and weakness of your mind. Remember, you are NOT your mind, you are beyond and much bigger than that. it's just that your mind has a clever way of convincing and conquering you.

Different names in different countries

Baba Foosha in China? That's awesome! Love that.

Waheguru Ji KA Khalsa !! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh !! Waheguru ji , please do naam simran if you have enough time , to debate on these topic. only bani will save people

to further add......nindeya is also when one's bad qualities are exaggerated by suppressing or ignoring the good ones......

To add, nindya is telling something about someone that isn't confirmed or true. It is like telling a dog as a cat and vice versa.

The most you can do is keep your own house in order. Be a beacon in these turbulent times, and when (or if) someone seeks you out for help do your very best to help them.

Dhan DHan Kilewale Mahapursh :- " If you cannot do Naam Jap in Kalyug....then atleast Avoid Nindiya of anyone(even if he is wrong).....then your name would be in Ardas....Jina Dekh ke undith(Aundith) kita, TIne Pyareyan Sachareyan di Kaamai Da Dyan Kareke Khalsa ji Bolo ji Vaheguru."

2. we need to stay our path by this in court of dharamraj we will get some respect and those ppl will get their punishment............. 3.u need to stay like lotus.......... 4.ppl who do these this r heavily involved in these things addictions do these things...let them do there work and let do our work.......... also remember the path of sikhism is khaneo tikhi,walo niki.... and my favurate soora so pachaniye,jo lare din ke hath.... purja purja kat mare kabhu na chade khet Jau tau prem khelan ka chao, sir dhar tali gali meri aao :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect:

ur shastar pics? :poke:

Don't worry khalsa armory will be providing all sorts of shastars for reasonable prices! We ain't in it for the money! http://khalsaarmory.com/Order.html

the line in original gurmukhi is..."moorat", bhai gurdas ji clarifies what the 'moorat' of Satguru Sahib is: ਗੁਰ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਹੈ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ। Gur Moorati Gur Sabadu Hai Saadhasangati Mili Anmrit Vaylaa. गुर मूरति गुर सबदु है साधसंगति मिलि अंम्रित वेला । Only the Guru's word is the idol of Guru and this word is received in the holy congregation e ambrosial hours of the day. (vaar 24, Bhai Gurdas Ji Di Varaan)

"Gur moorat Gur Shabad hai". So it is Gur Shabad here that is Gur moorat.

Shiv Shakti, I guess that's a way of looking at this tukh. Furthur thought on this, I would have to disagree that it means Shiv Shakti, because Purkh and Naar here are plural not singular implying men and women not man and woman. But I get your point.

ਪੁਰਖ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਰਿ ਨਾਰਿ ਮਹਿ ਪੁਰਖਾ ਬੂਝਹੁ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨੀ ॥ ਅਰਥ: ਹੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨਾਲ ਡੂੰਘੀ ਸਾਂਝ ਰੱਖਣ ਵਾਲੇ! ਵੇਖ ਅਚਰਜ ਖੇਡ ਕਿ ਮਨੁੱਖਾਂ ਦੇ ਵੀਰਜ ਤੋਂ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਪੈਦਾ ਹੁੰਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਜੰਮਦੇ ਹਨ। This tukh is in support of Grasti Jeevan between man and woman because Guru jee is saying here that if these two genders are not together then procreation cannot happen.

The prices for the smaller pieces are relatively expensive. The larger pieces seem fairly priced. I guess the idea is to maximise the profit margin with the smaller items. Good business economics - they're not a charity after all...

Sarbat Jee, homosexuality is not compatible with Sikhi. You have totally misunderstood Gurmat Sidhaants. Since the start Gurmat has always advocated Grishti jeevan between a man and woman. Humans by nature are born with all sorts of urges and weaknesses. But Gurmat teaches Sikhs not to indulge and give in to those urges and weaknesses. Sikhs are taught to adopt rehit, meditate on Naam, read/hear Gurbani whilst controlling those urges and weaknesses. Those who indulge in wordly urges and human weaknesses end up in the cycle of life and death(charasee lakh joons)

Sikhi values and gay sexuality are not compatible. If you want to be gay by all means be gay and lesbian but dont try to claim you are Sikhs and they are one and the same. If we as a community go down this road of accepting gays as Sikhs then the case can be made for other sexual abnormalities such as pedophiles and animal sex lovers... you at sarbat believe in equality for all.... then how can anyone discriminate against those abnormal and sexual deviant people? you cant unless you want to be hypocrites. Bottom line is Sikh scriptures clearly state a man marries a woman explicitly and does not state the case for man can marry a man or woman marry a woman. So case closed sarbat gay Sikhs who number probably just a dozen individuals vs 800,000 strong Sikh community making it a non-issue for Sikhs we got more imrportant issues as a community to deal with. Sarbat gays really needs to grow up and stop trying to meddle in Sikh religious matters.

All this is ok here but how do we get the message to the wider Sikh community who do not come to these sites nor hardly go to the Gurdwara. Also using the term Paki does not help the cause at all. I am surprised the moderators allow it.

Nagar Kirtans were begun by the sixth Guru ji. This was during a time when the worldly emperors would take out processions. As the Sixth Guru was introducing the concept of temporal authority to the sangat, the nagar kirtan was a part of this process of honouring Guru ji as a spiritual and temporal Lord. Really what it comes down to for the individual is what you choose to focus on. You can go to the Gurdwara and waste time in the nindya, the politics, the food, the socialising, or you can focus on Naam. The same thing goes with the nagar kirtans. Although I do agree that a lot of the gandh that people try to bring into the nagar kirtans should be removed/blocked by the organising committees.

Some manage it sitting behind a screen in UK (busily declaring half the non-Sikhs as the Panth) after all as well.

Uklondonsikh jee, from what i see you are not here seeking answers. you are making bold statements without any reference and when you are proven wrong instead of correcting your mistake you keep going on and on. This is the wrong way to have a debate.

Did our all ten Satgurujis worshipped any pictures/photos/paintings etc ? > NO. Did they ordained us to do so ? > NO As most of veers in the forum have rightly said that these paintings/pictures are impressions/beliefs/visualizations/interpretation of artists/painters; so nobody knows how our Satgurus exactly looked. I think, after our Gurus merged themselves in Sri Akaalji, we started missing them and out of this attachment, fond, regard, loyalty, affection, bond; we tried to have a link with Gurus and this was in the form of paintings/pictures which was the only art or form in the 18th & 19th century. Slowly & gradually people started worshipping and bowing (matha tek) to the pictures imitating (bhed chaal) hindu fellows as it is vastly prevalant in their culture.

You seem like a playa with a conscience. You can't have a conscience in the old playa game.

To be honest, people can tell you a certain Sant has a low or a high avastha, but until you experience Sangat of the Mahapurkh yourself and listen to their bachans, you will never know for sure so my advice, don't look for people to tell you what's right and what's wrong, go explore and experience Sangat yourself

Bhai Guriqbal Singh ji:- "If a wife loves and respects only her husband, not any other members of the family, her husband will not be truely happy with her, in same way If a sikh loves and respects Guru sahib but bad mouth & doesn't show any humility and respect to other religions, Guru ji will not be truely happy with him"

Sant Harnam Singh ji Rampurkhera:- "Aapa sware bina, naam ras maane bina te aatma de patijan ton bina, naahin lokan da koi sudhaar kita ja sakda hai ate naahin adheyaatmik khetar vich koi sewa de yog ho sakda hai"

'Bulleya rab tetho vaki ni, teri vekhan vali akh ni' -Bulleh Shah

source: http://www.rarasahib.com/Isher3.htm Self Percept (Atam Updesh) Why are you so engrossed in worries? Why are you afraid of some one? Who may kill you? The soul is immortal; it neither dies nor takes birth. The present is here and now, the past is irrecoverable and the future will be good. Don't fret over the past and don't be worried about the future. The present is going on. Why do you cry? What did you lose? When you were born, what did you bring along, which has been lost? What did you produce which has been perished? It is here that you gained and it is here that you lose. The man comes to; and goes from world, empty handed. What you own today was not yours yesterday and will not be yours tomorrow. It does not and will not belong to anyone. You consider it your own and rejoice. This happiness of possession leads you to utter grief. Yours is this world. Start from where you feel to; stay where you desire and wind up where you want to. It has no beginning and no end. You don't fear anyone, but yourself. You are the fright and also the frightened. Change is the truth of life. What you consider as death is life in reality. In a moment a multi-millionaire is turned pauper. Give up the feeling of possession, great & the mean; differentiation of friend & foe. Then all is yours and you for everyone. Your corporeal being is a product of air, water and fire and it merges into the same leaving behind neither blood nor bones. Still yours existence remains the same. Then ponder over what you are. Wake up! and become the eternal sons of the Almighty. You are the great and unique manifestation of Nature's power. All the divine powers are possessed by you, like a tree hidden in the seed. In fact you don't fear anybody; you don't have any worry, suspicion, pain or grief. You are His dear ones. Surrender yourself completely to Him. Always, remember the "Waheguru" (God) to achieve salvation. Let your life be guided by the saying "Whatever God wills, is good". Be content with the will of God. Remember Him both in pleasure & pain. Compiled by His Holiness Sant Isher Singh Ji Maharaj

Bhai Guriqbal Singh ji Mata Kaulsarwale: "Mann" "Indriya" (nak, kan, akhaan etc) de adheen hai, je "mann" nu "indriya (senses)" di gulami vichon kadhke "aatma" de adheen kar dita jaawe, ta dukh sukh ton pare ho janda hai kyonki "aatma" "parmatma" da ansh hai