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ਚੌਪਈ ॥ CHAUPAI ਜਿਨਿ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਾਮ ਤਿਹਾਰੋ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ ਦੂਖ ਪਾਪ ਤਿਨ ਨਿਕਟ ਨ ਆਇਆ ॥ Those who mediated on the Name of the Lord, none of the sorrows and sins came near them. ਜੇ ਜੇ ਅਉਰ ਧਿਆਨ ਕੋ ਧਰਹੀਂ ॥ ਬਹਿਸ ਬਹਿਸ ਬਾਦਨ ਤੇ ਮਰਹੀਂ ॥੪੧॥ Those who meditated on any other Entiey, they ended themselves in futile discussions and quarrels.41. ਹਮ ਇਹ ਕਾਜ ਜਗਤ ਮੋ ਆਏ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਹੇਤ ਗੁਰਦੇਵਿ ਪਠਾਏ ॥ I have been sent into this world by the Preceptor-Lord to propagate Dharma (righteousness). ਜਹਾਂ ਤਹਾਂ ਤੁਮ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਥਾਰੋ ॥ ਦੁਸਟ ਦੋਖੀਅਨਿ ਪਕਰਿ ਪਛਾਰੋ ॥੪੨॥ The Lord asked me to spread Dharma, and vanquish the tyrants and evil-minded persons. 42. ਯਾਹੀ ਕਾਜ ਧਰਾ ਹਮ ਜਨਮੰ ॥ ਸਮਝ ਲੇਹੁ ਸਾਧੂ ਸਭ ਮਨਮੰ ॥ I have taken birth of this purpose, the saints should comprehend this in their minds. ਧਰਮ ਚਲਾਵਨ ਸੰਤ ਉਬਾਰਨ ॥ ਦੁਸਟ ਸਭਨ ਕੋ ਮੂਲ ਉਪਾਰਨ ॥੪੩॥ (I have been born) to spread Dharma, and protect saints, and root out tyrants and evil-minded persons.43. ਜੇ ਜੇ ਭਏ ਪਹਿਲ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ॥ ਆਪੁ ਆਪੁ ਤਿਨ ਜਾਪੁ ਉਚਾਰਾ ॥ All the earlier incarnations caused only their names to be remembered. ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੋਖੀ ਕੋਈ ਨ ਬਿਦਾਰਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਰਨ ਕੋ ਰਾਹੁ ਨ ਡਾਰਾ ॥੪੪॥ They did not strike the tyrants and did not make them follow th path of Dharma.44. ਜੇ ਜੇ ਗਉਸ ਅੰਬੀਆ ਭਏ ॥ ਮੈ ਮੈ ਕਰਤ ਜਗਤ ਤੇ ਗਏ ॥ All the earlier prophets ended themselves in ego. ਮਹਾਪੁਰਖ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਮ ਧਰਮ ਕੋ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੪੫॥ And did not comprehend the supreme Purusha, they did not care for the righteous actions.45. ਅਵਰਨ ਕੀ ਆਸਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਏਕੈ ਆਸ ਧਰੋ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥ Have no hopes on others, rely only on the ONE Lord. ਆਨ ਆਸ ਉਪਜਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਵਾ ਕੀ ਆਸ ਧਰੋਂ ਮਨ ਮਾਹੀ ॥੪੬॥ The hopes on others are never fruitful, therefore, keep in your mind the hopes on the ONE Lord.46. ___________________________________________________________ ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥ SWAYYA ਧੰਨ ਜੀਓ ਤਿਹ ਕੋ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਹਰਿ ਚਿੱਤ ਮੈ ਜੁਧੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੈ ॥ ਦੇਹ ਅਨਿੱਤ ਨ ਨਿੱਤ ਰਹੈ ਜਸੁ ਨਾਵ ਚੜੈ ਭਵਸਾਗਰ ਤਾਰੈ ॥ Bravo to the soul of that person, who remembers the Lord through his mouth and reflects in his mind about the war of righteousness; who considers this body the war of righteousness; who considers this body as transient, ascends the boat of Lords` praise and ferries across the dreadful ocean of the world; ਧੀਰਜ ਧਾਮ ਬਨਾਇ ਇਹੈ ਤਨ ਬੁੱਧਿ ਸੁ ਦੀਪਕ ਜਿਉ ਉਜੀਆਰੈ ॥ ਗਯਾਨਹਿ ਕੀ ਬਢਨੀ ਮਨਹੁ ਹਾਥ ਲੈ ਕਾਤਰਤਾ ਕੁਤਵਾਰ ਬੁਹਾਰੈ ॥੨੪੯੨॥ Who makes this body as the abode of forbearance and enlightens it with the lamp of intellect and who taking the broom of knowledge in his hand sweeps away the rubbish of cowardice.2492. ਇਤਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਦਸਮ ਸਿਕੰਧ ਪੁਰਾਣੇ ਬਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਨਾਟਕੇ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨਾਵਤਾਰੇ ਧਯਾਇ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤੁ ਸੁਭਮ ਸਤੁ ॥੨੧॥ End of the concluding auspicious chapter of Krishnavatara (based on Dasham Skandh Purana) in Bachittar Natak.21. _______________________________________________________________ ਸਵੈਯਾ ॥ SWAYYA ਛਤ੍ਰੀ ਕੋ ਪੂਤ ਹੌ ਬਾਮਨ ਕੋ ਨਹਿ ਕੈ ਤਪੁ ਆਵਤ ਹੈ ਜੁ ਕਰੋ ॥ ਅਰੁ ਅਉਰ ਜੰਜਾਰ ਜਿਤੋ ਗ੍ਰਹਿ ਕੋ ਤੁਹਿ ਤਿਆਗ ਕਹਾ ਚਿਤ ਤਾ ਮੈ ਧਰੋ ॥ I am the son of a Kshatriya and not of a Brahmin who may instruct for performing severe austerities; how can I absorb myself in the embarrassments of the world by leaving you; ਅਬ ਰੀਝ ਕੈ ਦੇਹੁ ਵਹੈ ਹਮ ਕਉ ਜੋਊ ਹਉ ਬਿਨਤੀ ਕਰ ਜੋਰ ਕਰੋ ॥ ਜਬ ਆਉ ਕੀ ਅਉਧ ਨਿਦਾਨ ਬਨੈ ਅਤਿਹੀ ਰਨ ਮੈ ਤਬ ਜੂਝ ਮਰੋ ॥੨੪੮੯॥ Whatever request I am making with my folded hands, O Lord ! kindly be graceful and bestow this boon on me that when ever my end comes, then I may die fighting in the battlefield.2489. _________________________________________________________________ ਸ੍ਵੈਯਾ ॥ SWAYYA ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤਿ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਿਯੋ ॥ O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept any of their opinions; ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਯੋ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਨਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰਿ ਮੈ ਨ ਕਹਿਯੋ ਸਭ ਤੋਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿਯੋ ॥੮੬੩॥ The Simritis, Shastras and Vedas describe several mysteries of yours, but I do not agree with any of them. O sword-wielder God! This all has been described by Thy Grace, what power can I have to write all this?.863. ਅਸਿਪਾਨਿ - ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ- ਮਹਾਕਾਲ. ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਹੱਥ ਖੜਗ ਹੈ. "ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਪਾਣਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਤੁਮਰੀ ਕਰ." (ਰਾਮਾਵ) _______________________________________________________________ ਬੀਰ ਅਪਾਰ ਬਡੇ ਬਰਿਆਰ ਅਬਿਚਾਰਹਿ ਸਾਰ ਕੀ ਧਾਰ ਭਛੱਯਾ ॥ Innumerable brave and mighty heroes, fearlessly facing the edge of the sword. ਤੋਰਤ ਦੇਸ ਮਲਿੰਦ ਮਵਾਸਨ ਮਾਤੇ ਗਜਾਨ ਕੇ ਮਾਨ ਮਲੱਯਾ ॥ Conquering the countries, subjugating the rebels and crushing the pride of the intoxicated elephants. ਗਾੜ੍ਹੇ ਗੜ੍ਹਾਨ ਕੋ ਤੋੜਨਹਾਰ ਸੁ ਬਾਤਨ ਹੀਂ ਚਕ ਚਾਰ ਲਵੱਯਾ ॥ Capturing the strong forts and conquering all sides with mere threats. ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਭ ਕੋ ਸਿਰਨਾਇਕ ਜਾਚਕ ਅਨੇਕ ਸੁ ਏਕ ਦਿਵੱਯਾ ॥੬॥੨੬॥ The Lord God is the Cammander of all and is the only Donor, the beggars are many. 6.26. _____________________________________________________________ AFTER SINGING THE ABOVE SHABADS (AND MANY MORE) HIS WHOLE LIFE, AS WELL AS MAKING MONEY, SELLING RECORDINGS..... WHAT PROBLEM DOES DARSHAN HAVE NOW WITH RAMAYAN, KRISHNA-AVTAR, BACHITAR NAATAK, MAHAKAL, ETC??? HOW CAN HE MAKE SUCH A 180 DEGREE U-TURN? WHY ARE MISSIONARIES/KALA-AFGHANA/DARSHAN DIVIDING THE SANGAT?

Many say the Bhagats were mukt since the time of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee. They had Guru Jee's Darshan. Brahmgiani need not be reborn. Since they wrote Bani, it is proof they were Brahmgiani, otherwise they could not have received divine Bani from Sach khand.

They make a total fool of themselves by cooking up a name like Khalistan Kashmir International. YEAH RIGHT! Like those Kashmiri Jihadis would love to be part of Khalistan under the Khalsa! Got to tell this Rohan Dua guy to be stupid within reasonable limits.

When going to Gurdwara one should go to the Gurdwara with the intention of having Darshan of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee and utmost humility in their minds and Naam Simran or Paath on their lips. Whenever a man could whether they are Keshdhari or not, they should try to wear a Kurta Pajama and Dastar for the Kushi of Guru Jee. A Sikh Bibi should try to wear a Salwar Kameez. If a bibi or man is wearing western clothing, it should not be vulgur looking or revealing to show off the body.

Khalsa Ji, The root causes of re-birth are: Kaam/ krodh/lobh/ moh/ ahankar. Once we break the attachment, then w e can be liberated. That's the theory; the practical is to remove such thoughts, and to focus entirely on Naam. Naam is within us, but it needs to be evoked(Amrit sanchar). The prescribed Rehat has to be adhered to; otherwise the meditated Naam is lost; like an elephant is given a wash, but immediately afterwards he rolls around in the mud. In ancient times, it as easier to focus on Naam; through physical rituals etc. in kalyug, only Naam is the solution; physical rituals are ineffective. Waheguru....

Wow! Slapping a 70 year old man is bravery? Lets send that guy and his gang to the Indo-Pak border in Kashmir. I can't want to see who slaps who then!

Kaival mukhti is given by satguru nanak dev ji we all agree with that. Satguru nanak dev ji in nirgun/sargun form can take any form -both animate, in-animate-self,shabad form gyan form and give mukhti to all depending on individual devotion, perception love, efforts be it zikr, naam seva- they don't need permission from us which form they should transcendent, give mukhti, they can take any form and they have in the past in all the yugas based on gurbani helped devotees, given them mukhti based on individual perception/bhavna (he does not need to go through outer sikh traditions we cannot confine nirgun satguru nanak into any thing that will go against jaap sahib, sri akaal ustat sidhant), its based on individual devotion towards vahiguroo kirpa in various forms but at the end- sargun and nirgun (knowledge of self- atma-paratma) ekta- it was nanak nirgun par bhram all along ..before hindus try to confine him, muslims try to confine him now sikhs are trying to confine him in semetic, abhramic, ism religious form but sri guru gobind singh ji reinforces nanak nirgun saroop again in jaap sahib, sri akaal ustat, gyan parbodh without any religious boundaries And also regarding khands in japji sahib- yes that could be perceived as sargun/psychical at begineer stage, but since we belive in kaival mukhti not other four sargun mukhti or protestant version of khands... khands in japji sahib are ultimately state of mind, almost 90% puratan scholars/literature(bhai vir singh, baba teja singh double ma, garab gajini teeka/sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale katha ultimately talks about khands being state of mind) have agreed to this as gurbani connects directly to our development of our human consciouness state/perceptions etc..Making khands or puriya into seperate reality its for sargun upasakhs ( pandit singh dhaka nirmala among others who were sargun upasakh with their understanding, limit khands to only subtle/physical realm of khands - made them into seperate ultimate reality place), sikhi does not beleive in protestant version of khands of wrathful god whipping day lights out of people where there is assembly/disassembly line towards locked sachkhand and other various khands. Both ultimate sargun interpertation of khands and protestant influence version of khands approach of sachkhand falls potentially into Polytheistic notions/disconnected reality from human spiritual development in the human consciousness and also in clash course with jaap sahib, akaal ustat, gyan parbodh sidhant. I strongly believe before 1469 appearance of sikhi in full partak form, people who made efforts- karam yog/shabad surat/gyan yog with true devotion and love towards vahiguroo/nanak nirgun got kaival mukhti as sikhi is anadi as we cannot box satguru nanak or confine him into only sargun saroop avtar and christian abhramic version of prophet of 1469 (accept physical jesus otherwise will go to hell) as nirgun roop of nanak- vahiguroo can transcendent in to many forms- as sargun, nirgun, shabad, self - gyan according to need- they don't need permission from us. Satguru nanak was nirgun parbhram , he can take any form or of any avtar he wishes both animate, non animate form can give mukhti in its own unique way -naam gyan roop, amrit dristhi, bhramgyan drsithi of self, its not up to us to dictate which form he needs to use to transcendent to give mukhti to all in whichever form or way, so people should stop shoving leela/power of satguru nanak into their little wells, tribals, tunnels, and confine him with their limited buddhi.

Notorious missionary and a Gurnindak Inder ghagha has been arrested under section 295 for writing an article in a newspaper. He is said to have hurt religious feelings of Hindus by name calling their Gods and using vulgar language for them. Actually sikhs should have gone against man long time back when he wrote derogatory about Our Guru sahibas and their writings. At last he got what he deserved. ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਇੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗਾ ਘਰ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਗ੍ਰਿਫ਼ਤਾਰਪਟਿਆਲਾ, 20 ਅਗੱਸਤ (ਕੁਲਵੰਤ ਸਿੰਘ) : ਸ਼੍ਰੋਮਣੀ ਸਾਹਿਤਕਾਰ ਅਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਸਿੱਧ ਲੇਖਕ ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਇੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗਾ ਨੂੰ ਅੱਜ ਬਾਘਾਪੁਰਾਣਾ ਪੁਲਿਸ ਨੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਯੂਨੀਵਰਸਿਟੀ ਨੇੜੇ ਸਥਿਤ ਘਰ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਗ੍ਰਿਫ਼ਤਾਰ ਕਰ ਲਿਆ ਹੈ। ਪੁਲਿਸ ਨੇ ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਇੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗਾ ਵਿਰੁਧ ਦੋਸ਼ ਲਾਇਆ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੇ ਮਾਲਵਾ ਮੇਲ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਇਕ ਅਖ਼ਬਾਰ ਵਿਚ ''ਰਖੜੀ ਜਾਂ ਮਾਨਸਕ ਗ਼ੁਲਾਮੀ'' ਨਾਮਕ ਇਕ ਲੇਖ ਛਾਪਿਆ ਜਿਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਹਿੰਦੂਆਂ ਦੀਆਂ ਧਾਰਮਕ ਭਾਵਨਾਵਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਠੇਸ ਪਹੁੰਚੀ ਹੈ। ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਇੰਦਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਘੱਗਾ ਦੀ ਬੇਟੀ ਨਵਦੀਪ ਕੌਰ ਨੇ ਦਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਅੱਜ ਸਵੇਰ ਤੋਂ ਹੀ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਪਿਤਾ ਦਾ ਪੇਟ ਖ਼ਰਾਬ ਹੋਣ ਕਾਰਨ ਉਹ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੀ ਰਿਹਾਇਸ਼ ਵਿਦਿਆ ਨਗਰ ਦੇ ਨਜ਼ਦੀਕ ਪੈਂਦੇ ਇਕ ਨਿਜੀ ਹਸਪਤਾਲ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਇਲਾਜ ਕਰਵਾ ਰਹੇ ਸਨ। ਜਿਵੇਂ ਹੀ ਉਹ ਦੁਪਹਿਰ ਸਾਢੇ 3 ਵਜੇ ਦੇ ਕਰੀਬ ਹਸਪਤਾਲ ਤੋਂ ਘਰ ਪਹੁੰਚੇ ਤਾਂ ਇਕ ਸਵਿੱਫ਼ਟ ਕਾਰ ਵਿਚ ਸਵਾਰ ਦੋ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਪੁਲਿਸ ਦੇ ਵਰਦੀ ਧਾਰੀਆਂ ਸਮੇਤ 6 ਵਿਅਕਤੀ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦੇ ਘਰ ਅੰਦਰ ਦਾਖ਼ਲ ਹੋਏ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਘੱਗਾ ਬਾਰੇ ਪੁਛਣ ਲੱਗੇ। ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਘੱਗਾ ਨੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਆਉਣ ਦਾ ਕਾਰਨ ਪੁਛਿਆ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਇਕ ਨੇ ਅਪਣੇ-ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਆਈ ਏ ਸਟਾਫ਼ ਬਾਘਾਪੁਰਾਣਾ ਦਾ ਇੰਚਾਰਜ ਦਸਦਿਆਂ ਕਿਹਾ ਕਿ ਤੁਹਾਡੇ ਵਲੋਂ ਜੋ ਲੇਖ ਮਾਲਵਾ ਮੇਲ ਅਖ਼ਬਾਰ ਵਿਚ ਛਾਪਿਆ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਬਾਘਾ ੁਰਾਣਾ ਦੀ ਮੰਦਰ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਦੇ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੇ ਉਥੇ ਧਰਨੇ ਮੁਜ਼ਾਹਰੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਮਾਲਵਾ ਮੇਲ ਅਖ਼ਬਾਰ ਦੇ ਦਫ਼ਤਰ 'ਚ ਵੀ ਭੰਨਤੋੜ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ। ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਘੱਗਾ ਦੀ ਬੇਟੀ ਨਵਦੀਪ ਕੌਰ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਆਏ ਹੋਏ ਵਿਅਕਤੀ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਖ਼ੁਦ ਨੂੰ ਇੰਸਪੈਕਟਰ ਦੱਸ ਰਹੇ ਇਕ ਵਿਅਕਤੀ ਨੇ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਦਸਿਆ ਕਿ ਪ੍ਰੋ. ਘੱਗਾ ਦਾ ਲੇਖ ਛਪਣ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਅਦ ਬਾਘਾਪੁਰਾਣਾ ਵਿਚ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਧਰਮ ਨਾਲ ਸਬੰਧਤ ਕੁੱਝ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੇ ਪੁਲਿਸ ਕੋਲ

He is the one who opened a website to write lies about Dasam Granth sahib. He misled so many ignorant by false propaganda. Finally he is caught on video. That is an excellent news. In God's house there is delay but justice is served.

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji was writing down the correct interpretation of Gurbani, but then the Punjab Police put the bus that sangat gave on fire and the Pothi Sahibs were inside the bus. So I doubt Sant Ji's teacher was against writing down Gurbani. And if Sant ji was against writing down katha, he would not have done audio recordings. Audio recordings work in the same way.

One day a man and a woman visited sahib shree guru gobind singh ji maharaaj.Guru sahib was very happily talking with both of them .And then maharaj ji told to prepare amrit . Amrit was prepared and both of them had a amrit shakk.Both of them were very happy and thanked guru sahib for amrit sanchaar. After this guru sahib said bhai daya singh ji to go with them to a little distance after which they themself will go back . So following order bhai daya singh ji went with them and then both of them said gurfateh and were alop ( to use spiritual power to move to different places). Bhai daya singh ji and other singhs did benti to maharaj to tell who they were as firstly , a special amrit sanchaar was organised Secondly , both of them were alop Guru gobind singh jee said the man was Bhagat kabir and woman was Mata loee.

Amazing debate, Dr Harbhajan Singh Ji smashed the debate!

I can’t believe this is happening. Is this a common occurrence in Leicester or an isolated case? At the moment Muslims are running circles around Sikhs. It’s time for Sikh girls to step up and take responsibility. If this girl came from the Muslims community I bet there would be many other Muslims girls helping and supporting her and pointing her in the right direction. While this girl probably had other Sikh girls encouraging her and recruiting more. We Sikhs have no damn Unity!! What I don’t get is the general Attitude of a lot of Sikh girls. They think if it doesn’t affect them, then why they should care about it. For instance if Sikhs are being groomed or used then why should they care? I tell you why you should care. Because when you same Sikh girl’s get married and have a daughter your children could be the next victims of Muslim groomers on your local street. Think about it. Think about the next generation. I’m not saying it’s all Sikh girls fault. Muslims by nature are very crafty people. Most areas of the UK are over populated with Muslims hence there is more opportunity for this to occur. I.e. in schools and colleges around the UK. Plus they are very good at gaining girls trust and getting this to happen.Don’t look up to Muslims and become their poodles. No Sikh girls ask for this to happen. But when you date a Muslim your under their power. They can use and abuse you as males generally dominate the female in most relationships. Let’s not beat up Sikh girls. This happened because of scum of the earth Muslim groomers picked up a vulnerable girl off the street and drugged her up. Sikhs should not start blaming each other either. We need to stick together and protect the community when it’s being attacked. We do not need in fighting but need unity. Muslims want are us to be divided. So they can take advantage. Remember most Sikh girls are respectful and intelligent let’s not tarnish all the good Sikh women that are out there! Come on Sikh girls how many of these news stories do you want to hear before you get the damn message! Keep away from Muslim males they are only out for themselves. WJKK WJKF

It's been called Bradistan since the 80s I think, lol.

Is Bradford really that bad!!

Satguru Nanak Dev ji and Akal Purakh are one. I agree a lot of what N30 just said but let's put the any form to the test of Gurbani. Bhagat Prahlad ji was saved by Narsingh avtar. Gurbani says Akal Purakh came down as this form and killed Bhagat Prahlad ji's father (the attacker). Then Dasam Bani says that Narsingh avtar was subject to Kaal. Read Gurbani and Sargun or Nirgun Saroop of Maharaj are not subject to Kaal. Both are above Kaal and are Akal. So it cannot be said Narsingh avtar was one of Satguru's Sargun or Nirgun form.

I have read that some bhagats reached Karam Khand and even now dedicated bhagats who do crazy abhiyaas of Naam can reach Karam Khand. However it is only by adopting Guru Nanak Dev jee as Satguru and receiving Gurmat Naam one is able to access Sach Khand. Many Gursikhs interpret the 5 Khands mentioned in sri Jap jee sahib as spiritual states. The 5 Khands are not just spiritual levels but actual realms just like this one. This earth is a karam bhoomi - place in which we perform good/ bad karams and is part of Dharam Khand. Now science I believe is also coming up with theories of multiple universes. Gurbani has already mentioned the vast creation and countless planets, stars and realms. We cannot even comprehend this small earth let alone Dharam Khand. Fortunate are those who have had darshan and experience of these realms.

It is common misconception amongst Sikhs that Guru Nanak Dev jee did not exist prior to their manifestation in human form in 1469. Guru Nanak Dev jee has been there throughout the 4 jugs. Guru Nanak Dev jee definitely existed before 1469. Mukti mean liberation and liberation can have different levels i.e. mukti from narak (hell), mukti from chraasi lakh joon. As per Gurbanee nobody has reached Akaal Purakh without Satguru. Who is Satguru? If other Avtaars/Bhagats/Prophets reached Akaal Purakh then who was their Satguru? Satguru can be only one. Satguru as per Gurmat is clearly Guru Nanak Dev jee. Before bhagats met sri Guru Nanak Dev jee they had reached as far as Karam Khand which is just below Sach Khand. Sach Khand is the highest destination in Gurmat - "Sachkhand Vasai Nirankaar" - it is the fifth Khand (realm) mentioned in sri Jap jee sahib. It is through GurParsaad, kirpa of Guru we can meet Akal Purakh and enter Sach Khand. Also I have read before that bhagats reincarnated as Gursikhs and took khanda de pahul amrit. However there has been research done relatively recently that proves bhagats met Guru Nanak Dev jee. Therefore they would not have to take jaman (birth) again to receive amrit. They must have received charan pahul amrit directly from Guru Nanak Dev jee. No doubt, before the bhagats could utter Gurbani they must have had to receive amrit first from Satguru. Bhul chuk maaf.

There were God realized souls in Satyug, Tratrayug and Dwaparyg, but in Kalyug only Guru Nanak Dev Ji reigns and so only Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s path is the correct one. People obtained mukhti from the beginning of time. If you go back to the previous yugas then the Panj Pandovs obtained mukhti as did great rishi munies. Even Dharyodan achieved mukhti even though he was the main protagonist of Mahabharat, because it was his role to be the opposing force in the yudh. But this process was long and arduous; Guru Ji showed us the direct way to God. In Bachittar Natak Guru Ji tells us that God sent down so many to show the people the way to God, but all deviated from the true path. They all either propagated their own name or added to, and so changed, the true path. Khalsa panth is ‘niyara’ it was created in “Parmatam’s mauj”, Guru Ji was instructed to show people the way, which they did so we need to follow it. It is the duty of a Sikh to follow his Gurus instruction and Guru Ji has instructed us to take Amrit and that is exactly what we need to do. Remember Guru Ji is our true father and a father will always show His children the true, correct and easiest way. A father will never deceive his children so we must put our trust in Guru Ji and follow %100.

sorry what is the difference? please expand on your point.... I didnt slander you a manmukh you are a manmukh in the same way i am comfortable admitting i am a manmukh(obviously trying to be a gurmukh) if you think your a gurmukh then thats a different case then im slandering your opinion of yourself not what you actually are. If this conversation proves anything its that we are both NOT gurmukhs yet. a Gurmukh is someone like sant baba gurbachan singh who epitomises all that is sikh in every word and action can you truly call yourself the same?

Anyone got an answer to the above, before sikhi the billions of people never achieved Mukhti because they never took amrit so an all powerful waheguru never allowed these people to achieve Mukhti because they never took amrit which wasnt available to them? i find that logically very hard to believe. As for the fact that only 1 sikh guru took amrit that is incorrect as the jyot of all the gurus was the same what one guru did the other gurus also did, you will be hard pressed to find the gurus ever contradict each other because they share the same jyot it is only the human body that the jyot resided in that was different

How is Charan di Pahul against Sikhi? So Sri Guru Arjun Dev ji compiling Adi Granth would be equally insulting as Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji just changed Adi Granth to be the 11th Master and how dare Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji already have Gurbani written down ready to be compiled!!!!!! It is a fact written down by Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaars. Before you go around calling something you can't comprehend as cultism act maybe read up on it yourself. Very quick to judge.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130819/main5.htm Evicted from Haryana village, Sikh farmers left in lurch Bhanu P Lohumi/TNS Karah Sahib (Pehowa), Aug 18 Evicted from their lands, hounded by the administration, facing hostility from the village panchayat and completely dependent on the local gurdwara for food, 150 Sikh families living near Pehowa in Haryana’s Kurukshetra district are struggling to survive. They were evicted from the lands they cultivated for six decades after a protracted legal battle. The families of Kupia Plat in Karah Sahib village were allotted land on lease for 20 years in 1952 under the ‘Grow More Food’ programme by the then Punjab Chief Minister Pratap Singh Kairon. With hard work and labour, they converted the thick forests and marshy lands into fertile cultivable lands. The 20-year land lease expired in 1972 and the village panchayat claimed ownership on the land, forcing the affected Sikhs to approach the court. After protracted litigation, the court gave its verdict in favour of the village panchayat and the Sikh families were evicted from the land by the administration. The Sikhs are up in arms as the panchayat further leased some acres of retrieved land through open bidding in which they did not participate. The families said the land is lying barren as the new allottees are not cultivating the land fearing retaliation, while the evicted Sikhs have stopped cultivation as the administration is harvesting their crop and giving it to the panchayat. The Haryana Government issued two notifications in 2008 and 2010 for restoration of land, but with a rider: The “land will be given with the consent of the Panchayat”, but the exercise become redundant as the panchayat was allegedly hostile towards these families. The Sikh representatives want that their land and pension be restored, they be covered under the BPL category and be given benefits of the Food Security Ordinance. Citing examples of how the police and administration were treating them as soldiers of a vanquished army, the Sikhs said one of them, Gurmeet Singh, was jailed for not paying the fine. Bhola Singh said that he along with Nirmal Singh and Mohan Singh were jailed for four to six months on the charge of theft of 9-kg Toria sown by them on the disputed land. Some others have been in jail for four to six months, even for offences that are bailable. Taking a dig at Haryana Chief Minister BS Hooda, who had expressed concern over the eviction of Sikhs from Gujarat, National Commission for Minorities ex-chairman and National Human Rights Commission member Tarlochan Singh, who arrived here to espouse the cause of the affected people, said: “Hooda is worried about the Sikhs in Gujarat (who after 50 years of farming have been ousted), but not bothered about Sikh farmers being rendered landless and homeless in his own state. How can a sensitive Chief Minister sleep when his people are in distress?” “The government boasts of major strides in medical facilities, electricity and education but is unmoved about the death of half a dozen ailing people due to lack of timely medical aid. Children from these affected families have dropped out of school, the village gets electricity for barely two hours a day, there is no employment, and several families are starving and are finding it difficult to get their daughters married...” Addressing a rally by the uprooted Sikhs, Tarlochan Singh assured that matters related to human rights violations by the police would be taken up with the National Human Rights Commission (NHRC) and Minorities Commission and the Prime Minister’s intervention would be sought. Senior Akali leader Prem Singh Chandumajra said the SGPC would arrange for legal services so that the villagers could plead their case and a free kitchen would be run till they were settled and rehabilitated. An SGPC deputation would also meet the Governor. Maintaining that they have no land, no employment and nowhere to go, the agitating Sikhs said they would intensify their agitation and start an indefinite strike from September 9 if the matter was not resolved to their satisfaction. Nowhere to go 150 Sikh families of Kupia Plat in Karah Sahib Village near Pehowa in Kurukshetra district of Haryana were evicted from the lands they had cultivated for six decades after a protracted legal battle The families were allotted land on lease for 20 years in 1952 by the then Punjab CM Pratap Singh Kairon The lease expired in 1972 and the village panchayat claimed ownership on the land, forcing the affected Sikhs to approach the court After protracted litigation, the court gave its verdict in favour of the village panchayat and the Sikh families were evicted from the land by the administration

Who wrote the Bani and it is available online for others to read?

read khalsa mool mantar

Most people only listen to Sant Jee's political speeches. But there is so much Gian to be gained from Sant Jee's religious Kathas. In fact, all of Taksal's Mahapursh have done beautiful arths of Gurbani. It's a shame that to date those Kathas have not be written down in book form since Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale Jee did Katha of all of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee.

Singh, that is personal improvement, but the interpretation does not change from what Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars already state. The issue is not that Bhai Gurdas Ji's Vaars are not new age or Bhai Sahib did not do a good job of explaining. We do not have the ability to understand Bhai Sahib on the first, second, or even third try. It's like a math equation. We make many attempts to get the exact figure, but sometimes it does not work on the first, second, or third try. Many find math frustrating because their are absolute values. They give up after couple of tries. Those that work hard at the equation will understand what is the answer and will know how to attain the answer. Nothing new is going to come out from anyone. What a Gurmukh can do is put things into perspective for those that have a hard time understanding Bhai Sahib. Putting in perspective means to use current popular events to deliver the message home. The interpretation stays the same just more familiar terms will be used. However nothing can replace terms like Shiva, Krishna, or similar terms. As there is no modern Shiva, Krishna, etc. So it is on us to go back and study who these people were and why are they being presented in Gurbani. Bhai Sahib did not lack the knowledge as we do. Therefore his Vaars were given the title as the key to Gurbani.

Satguru said Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars are the key to Gurbani. Without any doubt this means Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars ARE the correct interpretation of Gurbani. The only way they can be wrong is if some fool came along and purposely changed Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji did not agree with one tuk, which was posted on sikhsangat while back. Either this Vaar was changed or I humbly say Sant ji is wrong on the matter. Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars have been given this status not by some simple Sikh, but by Satguru and we need to respect this to the last letter regardless of how much we disagree with a Vaar. Anyone's interpretation of Gurbani that does not align with Bhai Sahib is wrong. Missionaries, Nihangs, Taksal, AKJ, Nanaksar, and the rest cannot deviate from Gurbani and the test of if someone has deviated from Gurbani is Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars. If any jatha views and interpretations go against Bhai Sahib's Vaars then consider it manmat. A key cannot be cut partially right or 95% right. The lock will not open. The key has to be cut just exactly so the lock can be opened.

I never said he is not my brother. All of humanity is my brothers and sisters. But being brother and sister does not mean we should support a lifestyle which is against Sikh principles. Marriage in Sikhi can only happen between man and woman. Having sexual relations outside of the bond of marriage is a Kurahit for a Sikh. Standing up for Sikh principles does not amount to discrimination or phobia.

Because you disagree with a man doesn't mean he is not your brother. How do you his Bhagti is not greater than yours just because you've married a woman? If you disagree with homosexuality then fine, but don't discriminate or prejudice them as that is equally not gurmat. Live and let live I dont know what beastality, paedophilia have got to do with this thread ( you should start a separate thread if you want to discuss them)

this hindu media is just trying their best to defame sikhs

Yeas tru. The bradford vale do like their meat halal ! Ther are pubs next to gurdwarras so R they to be sorted out too. Wher draw a line? Is ther like a safe distance ? Lol

Dreams are usually symbolic, Its the way you interpret them, Thats if you want to.

yes it is wrong to seperate Gurus and Waheguru ji because Vaar 1, Pauri 35 of 49 - ੩੫ : ਬਗ਼ਦਾਦ ਗਮਨ ਇਕ ਬਾਬਾ ਅਕਾਲ ਰੂਪੁ ਦੂਜਾ ਰਬਾਬੀ ਮਰਦਾਨਾ। And "akaal" as defined in "Mool Manter" is only waheguru ji. Akaal formed a "roop" of Guru Nanak Sahib to teach and save us from Kalyug and Maya. All Gurus, one Jot. Waheguru ji is giving us darshan as Guru Granth Sahib ji. But based on seekers karams, Guru ji's taras and kirpa, waheguru ji give darshan to them the way they worship HIM or the way they want to have HIIS darshan. Ang 1409 - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji:- ਧਰਨਿ ਗਗਨ ਨਵ ਖੰਡ ਮਹਿ ਜੋਤਿ ਸ੍ਵਰੂਪੀ ਰਹਿਓ ਭਰਿ ॥ ਭਨਿ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਕਛੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਅਰਜੁਨੁ ਪਰਤਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਹਰਿ ॥੭॥੧੯॥

Satguru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj is back. Everyone get Consciousness darshan................give your address and phone number OOOOO great one so we can have your darshan.

Gursant did have a long term involvement with 3H0 and yogi bhajan, which is why he can seem to have a sort of personal vendetta and is unable to stand back and be objective. I also believe that one has to have lived on the inside to know what is really going on and he has confessed to doing things which he now regrets. I am sure there are some truths to what Gursant says and yogi bhajan has used yoga as a way to introduce Sikhi to westerners and there's no doubt about it that yogi bhajan was a just a human and not a guru, so probably made loads of mistakes and concocted ideas to cement his followers faith BUT, even Trilochan Singh who wrote the main book (Sikhism and Tantric Yoga) which critically analysed Yogi Bhajans tantric ideology and exposed it says... "I am extremely worried about the manner in which Yogi Bhajan teaches Sikhism to American young men and women whose sincerity, nobility of purpose, and rare passion for oriental wisdom and genuine mystical experiences is unquestionably unique." The majority of 3h0 Sikhs are good sincere people GENUINELY in search of a spiritual path I have met many 2nd and 3rd generation 3H0 Sikhs who have a really healthy outlook and understanding of Sikhi and are in no way cultish or practise un-sikh practices. many of of them understand that yoga without devotion is not Sikhi , and many of them have had the chance to explore and learn Sikhi through their own experiences and through reading Gurbani and have moved away from the Hindu practices and even from Yoga to a certain extent. But I would in no way say they are a threat or are malicious in their intent to distort or attack Sikhi there are a few 3H0 yoga teachers here in UK whose students have expressed concern at the level of control they try to exert over them - again this is individual and you will always get a few. ਅੰਜਨ ਮਾਹਿ ਨਿਰੰਜਨਿ ਰਹੀਐ ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਇਵ ਪਾਈਐ ॥: Remaining pure in the midst of the worldly filth this is the way to attain Yoga (sggs 730). ਨਾਨਕ ਘਰਿ ਬੈਠਿਆ ਜੋਗੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ॥: Nanak ghar baithiaa jog paaeeai satgur kai oupades: O Nanak, Yoga is obtained even while sitting in your own home, by following the Satguru's (Divine) Teachings (sggs 1421).

Two wrongs dont make a right. Why are you all dirtying your own souls by being offensive to other people? Not all muslims are bad just as not all sikhs are good. See the divine in all. If you cannot see God in all, you cannot see God at all.

I agree with the broad sentiment of your overall message bro. Although I don't quite agree with your assessment of a minority as "innocent muslims". You might be shocked to learn that it's this so-called minority of "innocent muslims" that are potentially far more dangerous than the so-called "extremists", because, in the west, they defend, justify and covertly support the more obvious "extremists". This has been proven in surveys time and time again, so many times that you could spend a whole day gathering them and you still wouldn't be finished. Furthermore, far worse than the more obvious, so-called, "extremists", their apparently "secular" image very effectively masks their islamic agenda, leaving them free to advocate for and implement shariah policies in ways that the so-called "extremists" never could. __________________________________________________________________ Nor do I agree with your selection of "the Bangladeshi community" as "a few good ones". You might only be talking about those that reside in the UK, where, admittedly, most, within their community stronghold of Tower Hamlets in London, are still struggling, poor, hard-up petty thugs and "shotta'z", trying to make ends meet and not overly concerned with devout islam. But that's changing fast. The bangladeshi community both back home and in the UK, is rapidly islamifying, so much so, that the development is manifesting itself in a growing jihad on "non-believers" in both locations. Just take a look at the East London mosque, the biggest mosque in the UK. That became one of the foremost sources of "radical" islamic brainwashing when the Wahhabi's controlled it (not sure who does now), and the damage has mostly already been done. So bruv, just give the bangladeshi community time. Eventually, they will all be just as fanatic as migrated pakistani muslims. They' re just playing catch up. My own bangla mate told me that the relative "asian-ness" of bangladeshi muslims was a symptom of the fact that they have been hindu more recently than the paks. So, as time wears on, islam, with all the associated "tolerance" of "non-believers" that that brings (lol!), will eventually replace the indigenous bangla culture of bangladeshi muslims. You don't need me to tell you that that ain't goin' to have favourable effects, nor be a positive development for "non-believers". lol. As we saw with the Bow Road Gurdwara arson, and we hear from the tiny minority of Sikh kids that reside and go to school in those areas; most bangladeshi muslims already ain't got too much love for minorities in their dominant area, including Sikhs: so you might want to reassess your view. __________________________________________________________________ Having said that, I ain't lost much love for the goreh either. And if we're perfectly honest, then they ain't lost much love for us either. Those that think they could, on the whole, give a damn about the difference between us and muslims, even if they knew what that was (and an islamically biased school religious education national curriculum means that the white youth, in particular, don't!), are plain deluded my friend. Plain deluded. Most of the working classes just see us as paki's; "brown" just like the rest of the "asians"/"muslims". Are any of us really naive enough to think that they don't? lol! __________________________________________________________________ In terms of the EDL; well their particular courting of Sikhs has been discussed to death. It's quite clear that Tommy Robinson couldn't give a flying f about Sikhs. It just so happens, that at this particular moment in time, the EDL are so vilified in the mainstream media, that they are desperately seeking out alliances with like minded groups that are also facing the same problems from muslims as they are. A bonus point of courting the Sikhs is that the papers can't claim that they're racist (though that hasn't stopped them so far). So the dumb @r$e$ that are supporting them need to know where they stand. Let the goreh fight their own battles, dudes; I for sure ain't about to put myself on the line for some racist hooligans. Allow that blud. Allow that.

This drum is always beaten when a person wants to avoid Gurmat Veechar. Let's look into history and see if this "everyone interprets Gurbani differently and we can personalize Sikhi" really passes the test. Surely we have Sikh history that gives us concrete examples of what is described as personal Sikhi and what is described as Gurmat. I am going to pick Sakhis that are well know in the Sikh community. Take the Sakhi of Bhai Kanhaiya ji. Singhs accused Bhai Kanhaiya ji of helping the enemy laying in the battlefield hurt by giving them water. Bhai Sahib's actions were reported to Satguru and Satguru called Bhai Sahib to his court to be judged. Satguru asked Bhai Sahib why are you helping the enemy that we fought against. Bhai Sahib explains that he did not see friend or foe laying on the dirt with wounds, but he saw Akal Purakh in each of them. After hearing this Satguru told the whole court that this is the true actions of Satguru's Sikh because he understood the teachings of Gurbani correctly. Is the above response a personal interpretation of Gurbani that Bhai Sahib gave to Satguru? No, it was a Gurmat reponse that comes from Gurbani. Which side was expressing personal intrepretations of Sikhi? It was the Singhs that accused Bhai Sahib ji of helping the enemy. They could have given a whole lot of personal reasons and Satguru rejected every single one of them. Personalization of Sikhi was rejected along with personal intrepretations of Sikhi. Take another Sakhi of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj's children and Bhai Lehna Ji. Satguru commanded many tasks to his two sons and Bhai Lehna ji. However, every time Satguru's two sons had a personal reason to say no, this is not logical. This does not fit into what my mind is thinking. Bhai Sahib did the opposite. Bhai Sahib having the teachings of Gurmat engraved on his forehead would get up without questioning or doubting and complete the task. Gurbani tells us for doubting and defying Satguru's orders the two sons are worse than manmukhs. They had their personal interpretations of what is Gurbani (what Satguru is ordering) saying. Satguru rejected their interpretations. This personal Sikhi idea is a new concept made by urban Sikhs to follow the ego. Just for everyone's info, even before listening to Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji's Katha on the tuks which I presented, I understood what Satguru is saying. If people don't want to except Scholars on the topic of Gurbani, then they should curse Satguru for doing katha of Gurbani and then telling Baba Deep Singh ji and Bhai Mani Singh ji to continue the teaching of Katha of Gurbani and giving correct interpretations.

Mega lol

:lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: Just say "vadda gangster aiyaaa" haha

There is a difference between stretching the body to prepare it for a vigorous work out and trying to heal like you say a bad back to doing Kundalini yoga. If you did not hold any hand positions or held certain positions to "release" the body of lust, anger, and ego. Then you did not participate in kundalini yoga. If you did hold certain body positions without knowing they are so called to release lust, anger, and ego, then you have been cheated into practicing Kundalini yoga. In kundalini yoga each posture is held to align the chakras to release a human from the 5 thieves. The chakras cannot be held by Kundalini yoga and Satguru explains this through Gurbani. You might think I am not doing self harm, but you are really hurting your chances at realizing Naam while practicing Kundalini yoga. Kundalini yoga does not heal the issue. It just mask's the problem. It's like drinking cha to heal a headache. The cha just gives the body a boost to look the other way. Ever seen a person so high on cocaine that he has an object jammed inside of him, but to his buddies hes telling them......I am perfect....I cannot feel a thing. People that are depressed, they go to the doctor. The doctor prescribes the person pills to mask the problem. Take the depressed person off the pills and there you have billy bob lying on the ground with a bottle of alcohol in his hand. What the doctor ought to do is ask bob why the hell are you depressed? Get to the root of the problem. If a person has a torn muscle then find a method to repair the muscle don't throw pain killers into your body hoping the muscle will heal. Essentially, the 3HO cult is hiding their true intentions for the most part on why they practice kundalini yoga. Not only does Kundalini yoga mask the problem, but 3HO are masking to the public on why to practice it. Many times I hear people say, it gives me peace of mind. I'm clear headed, i'm relaxed, etc. The person by doing kundalini yoga just took a pain killer. The real pain in everyone's life is the separation of the atma from Akal Purakh. Look up the word Yoga and it true meaning is union. Union with what? With Brahmin/ Akal Purakh/ Allah, Gobind, Ram, whatever you want to call him. But these 3HO people have the world on pain killers. Satguru said forget the pain killers. Here is a solution that doesn't have an end. Satguru says read the truth (Gurbani), be content with the truth, and then contemplate on this truth. You do these three things and you have not only given the mind complete peace, but that union is in your grasp.

Shiva here does not mean the hindus god shiva. It means Vaheguru just as Guru Jee has used Gopal, Ram, Gobind and other words for Vaheguru in Bani.

it means if u come under the sharan (shelter) of god then god (mahakaal) will save u. there has never been any other than god himself that has come into existence, god himself has made everything. if we worship such an awesome power and do this daily (all day every day - and make this our rehet) then you (all of us / 'you' personally - tin par) then... you will gain that hand of god and god himself saves you.

Well, maybe you shouldn't listen to me because I was a monah all my life ! :biggrin2: If we shun them, then how the hell will they ever embrace sikhi or the Khalsa for that matter ??

gurmukho guru sahib kirpa rakhan,both the messages above me are soo good ....bilkul tension na lavo ......... pesh ho javo im one thousand perc sure guru sahib has forgiven u because u regretted .... be free and if u want we both can talk on the phone,u can mail me your number ill call you,if u like ... baki sareey tension nu sutto the kuch ravo,jo ho gaya so ho gaya .... if u are depressed guru sahib will never be happy .......

Finding discrepancies in Sikhi at the age of 16? Interesting! First of all, none of the Guru Sahibaan were violent. Even Guru Nanak Patshah Jee Maharaj had a barsha which is still preserved. Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj has written and uttered such amazing Bani that is miles away from violence. No where has Guru Sahib said that one particular community was superior. Maanas Ki Jaat Sabhai Ekai Pehchaanbo. As for the Sikh appearance, its nothing to do with pride. Its our uniform, its our identity, its something we have died for and will die for. Why we have a distinct appearance? Well, lets see...you find me someone else who ever walked this planet and comes anywhere close to the dust below Dasmesh Pita jee's feet. You won't, therefore, since we belong to the One who doesn't have an equal, we are to carry His blessings as a sign that we belong to Him. Its not about ego, pride or arrogance, its our allegiance to Him. Even a pet dog has a collar which means it belongs to someone. Every soldier has a uniform. We are His soldiers and we are faithful to Him like a dog is to its master. Thus we carry His blessed appearance which He has gifted us. Sikhs don't turn their back on Guru Sahib's paavan pavittar saroop, because our Guru Sahib is not an idol, or a book, or someone who died in the past. Guru Sahib is jaagdi jot, eternal illuminance free from birth and death. Anyone who compares someone's turning back to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj with Guru Sahib's pointing feet towards Mecca should wake up to the fact that he/she is NOT Guru Nanak Patshah Jee Maharaj. Guru Sahib was teaching a lesson, what lesson is this person trying to teach? If someone is so adamant to compare themselves to Guru Sahib, they should first come forward and sacrifice their entire clan for the Panth. All the Guru Sahibaan were ONE jot, so thinking that one Guru Sahib's saroop was different from another is like saying the sun that shines over New York is different from the one that shines over New Jersey. At the end of the day, its your life, your kesh, and your relation with Gurujee. You judge what is more important for you and what your priorities in life are. If its Guru Sahib, you won't have any questions. If its anything/anyone else, good luck!

Here is a great book on the Maryada of Sri Hazur Sahib written by Jathedar Joginder Singh Ji It answers many controversies surrounding the maryada Sri Hazur Sahib Maryada Parbodh

A Beautiful Shabad Man Tan Tera Dhan Bhe Tera http://gurmatgiangroup.wordpress.com/2009/...ealth-is-yours/ Enjoy this !! Vady Mere Sahiba http://gurmatgiangroup.wordpress.com/2009/...ord-and-master/