Jump to content

Why Nanaksar Ragiis Are Celibate


Recommended Posts

There are no rigid rules as such one should be celibate or gristhi as everyone has different karam, many are give gristh jevan handful of them are not, its balance in universe also known as aspect of hakum, some despite of gristh jevan cant have kids and are baren, their gristhi jeevan turns out to be half futile. The minute we start super imposing one brush or one rule on entire human race not only we undermine diverse hakum of akaal purkh which is always unfolding in the eternal present moment- here and now but we also become spiritually bankrupt.

Nanaksar started off as celibate sect but its quite diverse as many jathedars who were inspired by baba nand singh allowed gristhi jevan singhs in their jatha as time evolved so there is no rule as such in nanaksar one have to be celibate.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Only WAHEGURU knows whose genuine or fake.

Treat everyone with respect

UN Declaration of Human Rights, Innocent Until Proven Guilty ;-)

Be mindful, my friend, of understanding basic legal principles and how apt or non-apt they might be to Sikhi.

As far as this 'innocent until proven guilty' lark goes we need to discard any claims that it is an invention of English Common Law (which Canada and America also practice) and understand that the principle's origins lay in the Roman Law practiced in mainland Europe who took the principle from the Christian Bible, notably the story of Adam and Eve and the way God could only judge Adam as guilty once testimonies were heard and more importantly from Deutoronomy 19:15 and the story of Moses whereby he said if God needs to summon witnesses before passing judgement then humans must also do so, i.e innocent until proven guilty.

So, not wanting to base my Sikhi ideals on made up stories from the Christian faith, I would say Sikhi is pretty clear-cut (i.e without the need for Christian witnesses and testimonies) in that a Sikh should marry, have children and live the life of a hard-working householder.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Which Guru are you talking about?

That was my question. In the link it said this, I question it.

I've never been, but went on Saturday to Gurdwara Ishar Darbar West Bromwich, and saw a HUGE photo behind the SGGS of Sant Isher Singh which was very odd, was he Amritdhari? he wears no Kirpan in his photo. Even the Ardass Jo aagiya pai akal gi sung before was partial.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That was my question. In the link it said this, I question it.

I've never been, but went on Saturday to Gurdwara Ishar Darbar West Bromwich, and saw a HUGE photo behind the SGGS of Sant Isher Singh which was very odd, was he Amritdhari? he wears no Kirpan in his photo. Even the Ardass Jo aagiya pai akal gi sung before was partial.

I don't know about the West Bromwich gurdwara, but some other Nanaksar Gurdwaras I been, they have picture of him.

It is not to worship them, but for satkaar only.

Sant Isher Singh ji were a Gurmukh sevadar, Saint and were Amritdhari.

Here's some links, about him, which may help to understand it:

http://www.sikhlionz.com/Baba-Isher-Singh-Ji-Kaleran-wale.htm

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/73441-sakhis-baba-nand-singh-ji-baba-isher-singh-ji/?hl=%2Bsant+%2Bisher+%2Bsingh

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/5134-life-sketch-of-baba-ishar-singh-ji-kaleran-wale/

You should have asked a sevadar at the Gurdwara about it, if we don't ask we won't know.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Exactly. Somehow it has now come to such a state that today people think grahisti means selfish and celibate means selfless. Now we have Singhs who want to dedicate themselves to seva thinking they should become celibate because they are under the misconception (ਗਲਤਫਹਿਮੀ) that they are making a big balidaan or sacrifice and that Guru Sahib will be more happy because of this. But who can be more dedicated than grahists like Sant Bhindranwale, Sukhdev Singh Babbar or Baba Manochahal? And this is just the tip of the iceberg. The list of Shaheeds and Mahapursh and Bhagats who have been grahists is endless.

So in conclusion, celibacy has NOTHING to do with Gurmat Marg as revealed by Guru Jees either spiritually or Rehit wise.

If a person wants to become celibate for some other reason they can do so but they should not be under the misconception that it will make them closer or higher in the Kripa Drishti of Vaheguru.

this equation is skimmed from hindu thought patterns ...that's also closely linked to the whole pakhandi baba support thing ...Guru ji made it clear no sikh bows to anything or anyone but Gurbani Guru Granth Sahib ji , there are many cases of people being saintly but then with shardalu feeding their haumai they take a big fall from kirpa ...I would rather respect from a distance and not endanger anyone that way, since to break someone from Guru ji's chara is a mahapaap. I trust in Guru ji's bachan and template for life so I trust in striving whilst in the world, taking part in grahist jivan (all the founders of religions were grahisti (I believe Jesus too because that is the only way a female could stay in the company of the apostles given society rules) . Bhai Rama Singh ji also mentioned how taking the other path is so much harder because kaam doesn't stay in control .

so choose the path with a constant sangat of like mind , support for development of control of 5 vikar , support for enhancement of 5 gun or try the path where everything has to be done divorced from the world, solitarily...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Bhai Rama Singh ji also mentioned how taking the other path is so much harder because kaam doesn't stay in control .

Very true words by Bhai Rama Singh ji. Becoming a celibate is not easy, if it was there would be a whole world of them. The 5 vikar always exist, some has less, some have more. It's a matter of being able to control them, so they don't overpower ones soul. And then there's those Brahmgyanis and Mahapursh and souls who can do that, which is rare.
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I don't know about the West Bromwich gurdwara, but some other Nanaksar Gurdwaras I been, they have picture of him.

It is not to worship them, but for satkaar only.

Sant Isher Singh ji were a Gurmukh sevadar, Saint and were Amritdhari.

Here's some links, about him, which may help to understand it:

http://www.sikhlionz.com/Baba-Isher-Singh-Ji-Kaleran-wale.htm

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/73441-sakhis-baba-nand-singh-ji-baba-isher-singh-ji/?hl=%2Bsant+%2Bisher+%2Bsingh

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/5134-life-sketch-of-baba-ishar-singh-ji-kaleran-wale/

You should have asked a sevadar at the Gurdwara about it, if we don't ask we won't know.

Having a huge picture of a Sant is OK? when they should have Sikh Gurus only? this is manmat not Gurmat.

Human idolising is not Sikhi

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Having a huge picture of a Sant is OK? when they should have Sikh Gurus only? this is manmat not Gurmat.

Human idolising is not Sikhi

The Gurdwaras I go to do have pictures of the Gurus, so I can't comment on where you went as I've never been there.

I just gave you the links of the history of the Sant, nor have I seen where the picture is where you went, as I've mentioned it in my post I don't know about that.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
 Share


  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt
  • advertisement_alt


  • Topics

  • Posts

    • If relationship with Guru is strong, then kanga is done twice a day, and turban should never be taken off or put on like a hat, there is a lot wrong with that as it is against rehit! maryada is to take off every layer of turban/pagh/dumalla individually, and tie fresh turban each time!
    • the whole 'your husband/wife is chosen for you'/sanjog thing is real, it's just that a lot of people end up marrying the wrong person. they did not end up with the person that was meant for them. my friend, you should marry someone who you feel a connection with and love. there are millions of sikh girls, i'm sure you can find someone who aligns with your sensibilities and who you can truthfully say that you love. sikhi does not say anything against love marriages. you can also be in a loveless arranged marriage which is a safe option b/c both families are more inclined to keep the union intact. i was one of those people who was like meh, i guess i'll just get arranged to some sikh. well i finally started dating for the first time this year and i'm getting married to someone that i love and cannot even imagine leaving. i think it's better to have lost & lost than never loved at all. unfortunately, a lot of people confuse love w/ looks & lust. a lot of men go for the fittest girl they can find and think they won the jackpot or something. in reality, your partner should be like an extremely loved best friend. there's a reason why it's a fact that the most stable and long-lasting relationships started as friendships.  i also think a lot of women are petty and divorce over small reasons, but there's other terrible things like high cheating rates as well. that's why the divorce rate in the west is high. be careful out there.
    • andrew tate praises sikhi too & likes sikhs. his brother also donated to sikh families iirc. they just like any "alpha" religion and tbh islam is the most "alpha" in their eyes. islam is very good at promoting that image. but imo a real alpha man doesn't command respect by beating up his wive(s) or forcing them to wear a burqa. a real man will have his woman listen to him w/o raising a hand or his voice, and command respect by being respectful. he leads by example and integrity. that's true masculinity. you get the idea. + yes, it's definitely true that islam is growing rapidly and making massive inroads. strength in numbers + belief will do that. but rlly it's just because of the birth rate. a lot of them are muslim b/c it's their "identity" just like how a lot of young sikhs will say they're "culturally sikh" or whatever. there just aren't billions of sikhs who lambast their identity everywhere and have strict and linear rules like in islam. besides, the reality is that islam and its followers are some of the most morally bankrupt. you can see all the weird trans rules in iran, bacche baazi in afghanistan, visiting brothels, watching p*rn, p*dophilia what goes on behind the scenes in countries like uae & qatar, etc, and come to your conclusions. you can google all the stats yourself and see which countries do the most of these ^.   
    • stop associating with hinduism, that's the absolutely worst thing you can do as a sikh. not sure if you noticed but the entire world looks down upon and spits at india & hindus, literally no one respects them and considers them weak and cowardly. literally 1+ billion of them but not perceived as a strong religion commandeering respect. 
    • you wrote a whole lot but told us nothing. what exactly did you do wrong to make you feel this way?
×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use