Maharani Jind Kaur plaque

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[californiasardar1 261]

Sorry, but can someone explain to me why we should care about this woman, or her drunk, womanizing husband, or her short, dimwitted, useless son?

[Premi5 750]

21 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

Sorry, but can someone explain to me why we should care about this woman, or her drunk, womanizing husband, or her short, dimwitted, useless son?

Maharaja Ranjeet Singh , I think, did a lot of important work for preserving and building Sikh historical sites, Gurdware.

That is at least a minimum reason

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44 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:

Sorry, but can someone explain to me why we should care about this woman, or her drunk, womanizing husband, or her short, dimwitted, useless son?

Not a fan then?     

[TigerForce1 294]

3 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

Sorry, but can someone explain to me why we should care about this woman, or her drunk, womanizing husband, or her short, dimwitted, useless son?

Regardless what anyone feels about the individuals you are questioning, the history is still fairy new and relevant.  Ranjit Singh showed he was able to establish a secular and inclusive Kingdom during a time when most of the western world was ruling their lands in quite the opposite fashion.  Jind Kaur was exiled after the death of her King and put in prison and separated from her son to insure no reclaim of the throne could be made.  Duleep Singh had been groomed to live in England and Christianity was forced upon him at very young age.  He eventually returned to Sikhi and after being reunited with his mother, he desired to reclaim his his Kingdom but was denied of this by the British establishment of the time.  He was finally denied of his last funeral rights by Sikh faith and buried according to Christian traditions.  His grave still lies in Thetford.  Ranjit Singhs throne is kept at the V&A museum and the Kohinoor is inset into the Crown.

Why is this relevant because the present condition of the the world 5th largest faith group is connected to all these events.  We are a distinct group of people with a rich history and faith and we will need to recite our history to the world powers if we are ever going to reclaim our homeland.  This is not ancient history and those who have denied us our freedom and put us in this tragic situation need to own up to their mistakes and support our cause for freedom.  This is why we should care about these people and this why we should never forget what happened to us.

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She had quite an extraordinary life. Daughter of a poor kennel keeper, Its said when she was born her father didn't want a baby girl so decided to bury her alive but then changed his mind. Though born into a humble family she got married to a King and become Queen of one of the richest Kingdoms in Asia. She then witnessed the whole thing crumbling right before her. Her son gets taken away, she gets locked in a tower but manages to escape dressed like a maid and then ends up in Nepal where she lived for 10 years. And then years later she finally gets permission to meet her son in the country of the very people that dethroned her! 

When she felt her sons face she was horrified that he was clean-shaven, like the people that took her Kingdom away. 

Its like a fairy-tale but with no happy ending! 

 

They should make a movie about her! 

I think Sikhs in the West should start making movies about all these historical figures, especially the ones that moved to the West, like Rani Jind Kaur, Shaheed Udham Singh, Gadr party etc   We've got enough wealth in the community to back the projects! and plenty of talented creative people. 

 

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 39]

8 hours ago, californiasardar1 said:

Sorry, but can someone explain to me why we should care about this woman, or her drunk, womanizing husband, or her short, dimwitted, useless son?

You need to do some paaht or something. Every post of yours on here is negative and hate filled. Do you have nothing else to contribute?

[ChardikalaUK 223]

6 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

You need to do some paaht or something. Every post of yours on here is negative and hate filled. Do you have nothing else to contribute?

He is right to a certain extent. In the Gurdwara the pitfalls of intoxication and lust are repeated several times but still there are several Gurdwaras with his picture in them. It's hypocritical. 

It's sad that we have to look up to him so much. Do Muslims go on about Salladin so much? Do Protestants go on about Henry VII?

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I went through a period not so long ago where I was giving Maharaja Ranjit Singh some stick for not prioritising Sikh interests, but objectively speaking and after having read up a bit more on his achievements, it's difficult to begrudge the man for what he managed to get done as a ruler. The fact that nobody since has come close to power to that degree speaks volumes. He had his blind spots (no pun intended) but he was definitely someone to be admired.

[ChardikalaUK 223]

14 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I went through a period not so long ago where I was giving Maharaja Ranjit Singh some stick for not prioritising Sikh interests, but objectively speaking and after having read up a bit more on his achievements, it's difficult to begrudge the man for what he managed to get done as a ruler. The fact that nobody since has come close to power to that degree speaks volumes. He had his blind spots (no pun intended) but he was definitely someone to be admired.

Yes you can admire him as a ruler but should his portrait be placed in Gurdwaras alongside pious men like the Gurus, Baba Deep Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur?

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21 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

He had his blind spots (no pun intended)

[Ranjeet01 2,312]

40 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

He had his blind spots (no pun intended)

I don't know if this expression relates to him , " In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is King!"

[MisterrSingh 5,080]

35 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Yes you can admire him as a ruler but should his portrait be placed in Gurdwaras alongside pious men like the Gurus, Baba Deep Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur?

No, I don't think so. But he should never be forgotten.

[TigerForce1 294]

2 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Yes you can admire him as a ruler but should his portrait be placed in Gurdwaras alongside pious men like the Gurus, Baba Deep Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa and Banda Singh Bahadur?

If his portrait invokes a desire to be free then yes.  He still has a part to play in the pursuing freedom.  Until that pursuit is fulfilled we can’t just simply discard him to the history books.  Don’t forget the British Empire went to extremes to suppress his history and legacy, because they knew he could spark a revolution even from his tomb. 

[californiasardar1 261]

17 hours ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon2 said:

You need to do some paaht or something. Every post of yours on here is negative and hate filled. Do you have nothing else to contribute?

 

How about all of your "negative and hate-filled" posts directed towards me?

At least I am talking about actual issues rather than engaging in personal attacks against people who I don't know.