sikh women Why are Sikh women always blamed for converting when Sikh men also do it

[Premi5]

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ranvir-singhs-boyfriend-26-son-25707612

Ranvir Singh's boyfriend, 26, is son of producer behind Big Brother and Small Fortune

Good Morning Britain presenter Ranvir Singh, 44, and Louis Church, 26, reportedly met while she was on Strictly Come Dancing

 

 

Ranvir Singh's new boyfriend, 26, is son of producer behind Big Brother and Small Fortune

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By

Zara WoodcockShowbiz Reporter

• 16:48, 15 Dec 2021

Ranvir Singh has been busy enjoying her time hanging out with her new young boyfriend, Louis Church, and many have been wondering who he is.

The Good Morning Britain star, 44, and Louis, 26, went public with their romance recently when they attended Capital's Jingle Bell Ball at the O2 Arena.

They reportedly met backstage while she was participating in Strictly Come Dancing with professional dance partner Giovanni Pernice in 2020.

According to MailOnline, the 26-year-old - who also works in production - is the son of acclaimed television producer Lucas Church. Mr Church has worked on shows like Big Brother and Pointless.

Lucas ran TV production company Endemol as chief executive between May 2012 and December 2014 before becoming Chairman.

He then set up Youngest Media with David Flynn, Endemol's chief creative director.

Ranvir - who announced her split from her husband Ranjeet Singh Dehal last year - recently shared a short insight into their blossoming romance.

Addressing the reports about her romance, Ranvir very briefly spoke to The Sun where she gleefully confirmed: "I’m really happy."

Ranvir was previously married to Ranjeet in 2012 but the couple revealed they were divorced last year.

[proactive]

42 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ranvir-singhs-boyfriend-26-son-25707612

Ranvir Singh's boyfriend, 26, is son of producer behind Big Brother and Small Fortune

Good Morning Britain presenter Ranvir Singh, 44, and Louis Church, 26, reportedly met while she was on Strictly Come Dancing

 

 

Ranvir Singh's new boyfriend, 26, is son of producer behind Big Brother and Small Fortune

•  

By

Zara WoodcockShowbiz Reporter

• 16:48, 15 Dec 2021

Ranvir Singh has been busy enjoying her time hanging out with her new young boyfriend, Louis Church, and many have been wondering who he is.

The Good Morning Britain star, 44, and Louis, 26, went public with their romance recently when they attended Capital's Jingle Bell Ball at the O2 Arena.

They reportedly met backstage while she was participating in Strictly Come Dancing with professional dance partner Giovanni Pernice in 2020.

According to MailOnline, the 26-year-old - who also works in production - is the son of acclaimed television producer Lucas Church. Mr Church has worked on shows like Big Brother and Pointless.

Lucas ran TV production company Endemol as chief executive between May 2012 and December 2014 before becoming Chairman.

He then set up Youngest Media with David Flynn, Endemol's chief creative director.

Ranvir - who announced her split from her husband Ranjeet Singh Dehal last year - recently shared a short insight into their blossoming romance.

Addressing the reports about her romance, Ranvir very briefly spoke to The Sun where she gleefully confirmed: "I’m really happy."

Ranvir was previously married to Ranjeet in 2012 but the couple revealed they were divorced last year.

No fool like an old fool. 

[Jacfsing2]

3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

https://www.thewhitepunjabibride.com/post/2019/08/09/my-big-fat-punjabi-sikh-wedding-story-parneet-harvinder

 

My Big Fat Punjabi Sikh Wedding Story: Parneet & Harvinder

Updated: Jan 8

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In this series I will share with you stories of other's, who like myself, have married into the Punjabi Culture and celebrated their own Big Fat Punjabi-Sikh Wedding. Though firstly there is some confusion around the difference between a Sikh and Punjabi Wedding merely because many weddings happen to predominately be Punjabi-Sikh Weddings.

 

 

 

Therefore to clarify, Punjab is a state of India in which many different faiths exist not only that of Sikhism. Which means not every Punjabi Wedding will necessarily be of the Sikh Faith, celebrating the same wedding traditions. Sikhism is a religion that originated in the state of Punjab. So whilst majority of Punjabi's are Sikh's, not every Punjabi will be. Hence why many weddings will be Punjabi-Sikh Weddings given they both are of the Sikh Faith and were born a Punjabi. Though even a Punjabi-Sikh Wedding can be referred to as either just a Sikh Wedding or Punjabi Wedding.

 

 

 

Even so, the rituals and traditions of a Punjabi-Sikh Wedding can vary greatly between regions and family. Therefore even the most common traditions can differ in how they are celebrated and is usually a personal preference as to which traditions are participated in. Though for the most part many are quite similar.

 

 

 

My Big Fat Punjabi-Sikh Wedding Story

 

Parneet & Harvinder

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Introduce Yourself

 

 

 

Hi my name is Parneet, I converted to Sikhism many years ago and have since been known as Parneet. However I am French by birth and have been living and breathing the Indian Culture for more than 15 years. I met my husband seven years ago when I moved from Paris, France to Brussels, Belgium.

 

 

 

We both were bhangra performers for the same performance company and for more than a year we were just friends. I decided to one day help him look for a partner in life so we started to spend a lot more time together talking about what he was after in a partner. Eventually we were talking at least 5 times a day and 3-4 hours on the phone. Then one morning after many months, I received a message saying; "I love you my friend".

 

 

 

I began to think all day about the meaning behind his message and then I realised that I didn't want to be without him and needed to see him everyday. I never answered his message clearly though a few days later it was his birthday. I decided to surprise him with a big box of his favourite sweet, Jalebi, and that later became our first date.

 

 

 

We lived together for 4 years before we married and built our own French-Indian world. It's been a total of 7 years now that we have been together and are constantly working on our relationship.

 

 

 

 

 

Maiyan Ceremony

 

 

 

What Traditional Pre-Wedding Ceremonies Did You Celebrate?

 

 

 

We married in 2018, three days before our marriage we celebrated our Maiyan Ceremony which is also referred to as Vatna or Haldi Ceremony. We held one Maiyan in the morning and one at sunset. Unfortunately my family didn't make it to India for our wedding celebrations because my parent's never travel and are afraid to do so.

 

 

 

Though one of my husband's Aunty's took on a maternal role which made it so emotional for me. More guests arrived the next day when the ladies sangeet celebrations commenced, which was the second night before our marriage. We then finished with a small Jaago celebration dancing and singing around the village the night before.

 

 

 

 

 

The Couple’s Lavaan

 

 

 

Describe Your Wedding Day

 

 

 

Our wedding day was very simple, after we wed during Anand Karaj, we just had a small gathering at home with close friends & family. All the village attended our Anand Karaj, it was so emotional. I am a simple woman and don't like heavily decorated and embellished clothing or jewels.

 

 

 

Therefore I opted for a simple silk Punjabi Suit that is worn for any occasion, paired with a turban. I have been wearing turban's since I converted to Sikhism ten years ago. We didn't incorporate any western traditions as we already celebrated a western wedding in Belgium a year ago.

 

 

 

 

 

At The Temple With Friends & Family

 

 

 

Any Advice For Those In An Interracial Relationship Who Are Planning Their Own Big Fat Punjabi-Sikh Wedding?

 

 

 

If you are going to marry in India just know that it can be challenging, particularly for those who aren't familiar at all with the Indian Culture. However you can prepare yourself by researching on YouTube and watching videos of Punjabi Wedding's; ask your partner to explain the customs involved; connect with other Indian women in your community.

 

 

 

Although you may not understand the customs and traditions involved try to participate as much as you can even though it can be challenging. As these traditions hold a deep meaning to your in laws and by participating it will capture the heart of your future family.

 

 

 

Albeit there are an array of different faiths, a blessing holds one single meaning across each faith. So try not to focus too much on why they do a particular ritual, instead focus on how much it means to your in laws and see their looks of appreciation in their eyes.

 

 

 

 

 

Jaago Celebrations

 

 

 

Connect With Parneet

 

 

 

 

Wedding Celebrations

Why are they doing maiyan ceremony?

[MisterrSingh]

13 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Why are they doing maiyan ceremony?

The bride wanted her skin to be extra-white for the photos.

[GurjantGnostic]

17 hours ago, Premi5 said:

I have been wearing turban's since I converted to Sikhism ten years ago. We didn't incorporate any western traditions as we already celebrated a western wedding in Belgium a year ago

Well...maybe she didn't convert as much as she thinks she did considering it's Sikhi not sikhism, and they had a marriage and dated first. Still. Welcome and all that. 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 11/17/2021 at 12:11 AM, Premi5 said:

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/20/world/india-interfaith-marriage.html

She Said She Married for Love. Her Parents Called It Coercion.

After a woman, who was born a Sikh, married a Muslim man, her parents accused him of kidnapping. Now, new laws across India are seeking to ban all interfaith marriages.

By Sameer Yasir, Emily Schmall and Iqbal Kirmani

• July 20, 2021

SRINAGAR, Kashmir — Manmeet Kour Bali had to defend her marriage in court.

A Sikh by birth, Ms. Bali converted to Islam to marry a Muslim man. Her parents objected to a marriage outside their community and filed a police complaint against her new husband.

In court last month, she testified that she had married for love, not because she was coerced, according to a copy of her statement reviewed by The New York Times. Days later, she ended up in India’s capital of New Delhi, married to a Sikh man.

Religious diversity has defined India for centuries, recognized and protected in the country’s Constitution. But interfaith unions remain rare, taboo and increasingly illegal.

A spate of new laws across India, in states ruled by Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party, or B.J.P., are seeking to banish such unions altogether.

While the rules apply broadly, right-wing supporters in the party portray such laws as necessary to curb “love jihad,” the idea that Muslim men marry women of other faiths to spread Islam. Critics contend that such laws fan anti-Muslim sentiment under a government promoting a Hindu nationalist agenda.

Last year, lawmakers in the northern Indian state of Uttar Pradesh passed legislation that makes religious conversion by marriage an offense punishable by up to 10 years in prison. So far, 162 people there have been arrested under the new law, although few have been convicted.

“The government is taking a decision that we will take tough measures to curb love jihad,” Yogi Adityanath, a Hindu monk and the top elected official of Uttar Pradesh, said shortly before that state’s Unlawful Religious Conversion Ordinance was passed.

Four other states ruled by the B.J.P. have either passed or introduced similar legislation.

In Kashmir, where Ms. Bali and Mr. Bhat lived, members of the Sikh community have disputed the legitimacy of the marriage, calling it “love jihad.” They are pushing for similar anti-conversion rules.

While proponents of such laws say they are meant to protect vulnerable women from predatory men, experts say they strip women of their agency.

“It is a fundamental right that women can marry by their own choice,” said Renu Mishra, a lawyer and women’s rights activist in Lucknow, the Uttar Pradesh state capital.

“Generally the government and the police officials have the same mind-set of patriarchy,” she added. “Actually, they are not implementing the law, they are only implementing their mind-set.”

Across the country, vigilante groups have created a vast network of local informers, who tip off the police to planned interfaith marriages.

 

 

 

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The papers show that Manmeet Kour Bali is legally married to Shahid Nazir Bhat and that she has willingly converted to Islam.Credit...Showkat Nanda for The New York Times

One of the largest is Bajrang Dal, or the Brigade of Hanuman, the Hindu monkey god. The group has filed dozens of police complaints against Muslim suitors or grooms, according to Rakesh Verma, a member in Lucknow.

“The root cause of this disease is the same everywhere,” Mr. Verma said. “They want to lure Hindu women and then change their religion.”

Responding to a tip, the police in Uttar Pradesh interrupted a wedding ceremony in December. The couple were taken into custody, and released the following day when both proved they were Muslim, according to regional police, who blamed “antisocial elements” for spreading false rumors.

A Pew Research Center study found that most Indians are opposed to anyone, but particularly women, marrying outside their religion. The majority of Indian marriages — four out of five — are arranged.

The backlash against interfaith marriages is so widespread that in 2018, India’s Supreme Court ordered state authorities to provide security and safe houses to those who wed against the will of their communities.

 

 

 

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Mr. Bhat was accused of kidnapping Ms. Bali by her parents. He is preparing a legal battle to win her back.Credit...Showkat Nanda for The New York Times

In its ruling, the court said outsiders “cannot create a situation whereby such couples are placed in a hostile environment.”

The country’s constitutional right to privacy has also been interpreted to protect couples from pressure, harassment and violence from families and religious communities.

Muhabit Khan, a Muslim, and Reema Singh, a Hindu, kept their courtship secret from their families, meeting for years in dark alleyways, abandoned houses and desolate graveyards. Ms. Singh said her father threatened to burn her alive if she stayed with Mr. Khan.

In 2019, they married in a small ceremony with four guests, thinking their families would eventually accept their decision. They never did, and the couple left the central Indian city of Bhopal to start a new life together in a new city.

“The hate has triumphed over love in India,” Mr. Khan said, “And it doesn’t seem it will go anywhere soon.”

In Bhopal, the capital of Madhya Pradesh state, the B.J.P.-led government passed a bill in March modeled after the Uttar Pradesh law, stiffening penalties for religious conversion through marriage and making annulments easier to obtain.

The government is not “averse to love,” said the state’s home minister, Narottam Mishra, “but is against jihad.”

At the court, Ms. Bali recorded her testimony before a judicial magistrate, attesting that it was her will to convert to Islam and marry Mr. Bhat, according to her statement. Outside, her parents and dozens of Sikh protesters protested, demanding that she be returned to them.

It is unclear how the court ruled. The judicial magistrate declined requests for a transcript or an interview. Her parents declined an interview request.

The day after the hearing, Manjinder Singh Sirsa, the head of the largest Sikh gurudwara in New Delhi, flew to Srinagar. He picked up Ms. Bali, with her parents, and helped organize her marriage to another man, a Sikh. Following the ceremony, Mr. Sirsa flew with the couple to Delhi.

 

 

 

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Days after appearing in court, Ms. Bali, right, was married to a Sikh man.Credit...Manjinder Singh Sirsa

“It would be wrong to say that I convinced her,” Mr. Sirsa said in an interview. “If anything adverse was happening, she should have said.”

A written request for an interview with Ms. Bali was sent via Mr. Sirsa. He said she did not want to talk.

 

“She had a real breakdown,” he said, repeating Ms. Bali’s parents’ claims that their daughter was kidnapped and forced to marry Mr. Bhat.

Mr. Bhat was released from police custody four days after Ms. Bali left for Delhi.

At his home in Srinagar, he is fighting the kidnapping charges. He said he was preparing a legal battle to win her back, but he feared the Sikh community’s disapproval would make their separation permanent.

“If she comes back and tells a judge she is happy with that man, I will accept my fate,” he said.

 

She does not look pleased. I don't think this was love Jihad. Better safe than sorry, and we always have to check, but it's not always love jihad. 

Unfortunately the real instances demand the utmost caution in all situations.  

[Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Well...maybe she didn't convert as much as she thinks she did considering it's Sikhi not sikhism, and they had a marriage and dated first. Still. Welcome and all that. 

If she converted into her husband’s brand of Sikhi, maybe. 

[5aaban]

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/sikh-man-alleges-muslim-wife-inlaws-forcing-him-to-convert-moves-court/2121216

Sikh man alleges Muslim wife, in-laws forcing him to convert, moves court

Chandigarh, Jul 15 (PTI) A Chandigarh-based Sikh man has filed a civil suit in a local court here, seeking directions for restraining his wife and his in-laws from allegedly forcing him and his minor son to convert to Islam.

The court of Civil Judge (Junior Division) Rasveen Kaur on Wednesday issued notices to defendants on a complaint filed by the 36-year-old man and fixed July 20 as the next date of hearing.

In a civil suit filed through counsel Dixit Arora, the man said that he was Sikh by religion while his wife and his in-laws were Muslim.

The plaintiff through his counsel submitted that he met his would-be wife in 2008 in Chandigarh. He was working as a store in-charge of a jewellery store while the woman was working as a sales girl at the same store.

After they became friends, the woman proposed marriage. He initially refused the proposal as he belonged to a different religion while she was a Muslim.

But after she assured him that she would never create any hurdle in his religious feelings and values, they solemnised the marriage according to Sikh rituals in 2008 at Amritsar.

The plaintiff alleged that from the day one of their marriage, his wife and his in-laws started forcing him to profess Islam.

When his in-laws continued to force him to profess Islam, he decided to stay away from them and shifted to Delhi where he stayed for four years from 2008 till 2011.He later shifted to Amritsar where he stayed for four years.

In 2012, his wife gave birth to a boy. His in-laws started trying their best to convert their child to Islam, he alleged.

On the persistent request of his wife, he shifted to Chandigarh in 2016. Since then, there had been active interference of his in-laws in his matrimonial life, he alleged.

He further alleged that his in-laws used to instigate his wife to enter into heated arguments with him as he was not ready to convert to Islam. He further accused his in-laws of insulting him numerous times. 

[Premi5]

51 minutes ago, 5aaban said:

https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/sikh-man-alleges-muslim-wife-inlaws-forcing-him-to-convert-moves-court/2121216

Sikh man alleges Muslim wife, in-laws forcing him to convert, moves court

Chandigarh, Jul 15 (PTI) A Chandigarh-based Sikh man has filed a civil suit in a local court here, seeking directions for restraining his wife and his in-laws from allegedly forcing him and his minor son to convert to Islam.

The court of Civil Judge (Junior Division) Rasveen Kaur on Wednesday issued notices to defendants on a complaint filed by the 36-year-old man and fixed July 20 as the next date of hearing.

In a civil suit filed through counsel Dixit Arora, the man said that he was Sikh by religion while his wife and his in-laws were Muslim.

The plaintiff through his counsel submitted that he met his would-be wife in 2008 in Chandigarh. He was working as a store in-charge of a jewellery store while the woman was working as a sales girl at the same store.

After they became friends, the woman proposed marriage. He initially refused the proposal as he belonged to a different religion while she was a Muslim.

But after she assured him that she would never create any hurdle in his religious feelings and values, they solemnised the marriage according to Sikh rituals in 2008 at Amritsar.

The plaintiff alleged that from the day one of their marriage, his wife and his in-laws started forcing him to profess Islam.

When his in-laws continued to force him to profess Islam, he decided to stay away from them and shifted to Delhi where he stayed for four years from 2008 till 2011.He later shifted to Amritsar where he stayed for four years.

In 2012, his wife gave birth to a boy. His in-laws started trying their best to convert their child to Islam, he alleged.

On the persistent request of his wife, he shifted to Chandigarh in 2016. Since then, there had been active interference of his in-laws in his matrimonial life, he alleged.

He further alleged that his in-laws used to instigate his wife to enter into heated arguments with him as he was not ready to convert to Islam. He further accused his in-laws of insulting him numerous times. 

This was posted at the time in another thread, but yes, it's a strange one!

[SikhKosh]

Muslim women are apt at manipulation and they tend to coerce or get their way when they marry non Muslim men. The men either end up converting or the children are raised as Muslims.

One of the rioters Mohammed Shahrukh in the recent Delhi riots - famously captured aiming a gun at the police - had a Sikh father and Muslim women. Guess what? The father converted and the child was raised a Muslim.