Are jatts the most useless people on the planet?

[Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Loved your post, but this bit in bold: is that entirely accurate? Were Indian castes intermingling and the rest of it before the first white foot set down on Indian soil? I would think the tens and thousands of years of blatant Brahmin social engineering that was lurking behind supposedly unquestionable religious philosophy has as much responsibility for what's happened as anyone who emerged later to capitalise on these divisions. Goreh induced what was already festering inside of us. They never created a castesit magic potion and poured it into our ears. Let's keep it real.

Guru Sahib said “Manas Ki Jaat Sabhe Ek Hai Pechanbyo” already, the Sikhs who would follow the word over the Guru aren’t exact ideal; however, they were in fact the majority in a lot of areas even without British influence. 
 

It was still rare for Sikhs back then to intermarry with other castes. But what the British did was they made a British style caste system where groups most loyal to the British were “high-caste”, and groups that weren’t loyal, “low-caste”. The Nihangs were the least loyal to the British and a good chunk of them were from “Mazbhai” backgrounds which made them low caste while the mainstream Punjabi sepoy was “Jatt” which made them high caste. In the past, Jatts knew their position in the Hindu caste system which is why they converted in mass with Banda Singh’s land grant. 

[Singh1989]

Worried what others will think? Reputation over akal? Degree in IT but rather do kithe paani as the other jatt is doing it? Honour killings? 

Yes... 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Guru Sahib said “Manas Ki Jaat Sabhe Ek Hai Pechanbyo” already, the Sikhs who would follow the word over the Guru aren’t exact ideal; however, they were in fact the majority in a lot of areas even without British influence. 
 

It was still rare for Sikhs back then to intermarry with other castes. But what the British did was they made a British style caste system where groups most loyal to the British were “high-caste”, and groups that weren’t loyal, “low-caste”. The Nihangs were the least loyal to the British and a good chunk of them were from “Mazbhai” backgrounds which made them low caste while the mainstream Punjabi sepoy was “Jatt” which made them high caste. In the past, Jatts knew their position in the Hindu caste system which is why they converted in mass with Banda Singh’s land grant. 

So when is Guru Sahib's philosophy, or mehr (blessing), meant to kick-in so that it overrides any foreign attempts at overturning their bachchans?  Did the East India Company terms of reference and overall ethos possess a greater "magic" than that of our Gurus commands which caused us to forget what important, and fall in behind the British? Why weren't we able to resist the brainwashing?

[Jacfsing2]

2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

So when is Guru Sahib's philosophy, or mehr (blessing), meant to kick-in so that it overrides any foreign attempts at overturning their bachchans?  Did the East India Company terms of reference and overall ethos possess a greater "magic" than that of our Gurus commands which caused us to forget what important, and fall in behind the British? Why weren't we able to resist the brainwashing?

Same reason any of us fall short of following Guru Sahib’s bachans, (Haumai). But logically speaking, the Mahants did help introduce caste into our psyche. The strongest mahants, (Nankana and Harmandir Sahib Wale), were known for discrimination against Dalits which was part of the reason they got booted. 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Same reason any of us fall short of following Guru Sahib’s bachans, (Haumai). But logically speaking, the Mahants did help introduce caste into our psyche. The strongest mahants, (Nankana and Harmandir Sahib Wale), were known for discrimination against Dalits which was part of the reason they got booted. 

We always tend to place the responsibility for our failings on these external figures, don't we? Brahmins, Brits, Mahants, etc. We seem to be very reluctant in confronting and accepting the darkness within ourselves that agrees with the devious whispers of these clever string-pullers; whispers that are ultimately acted upon by us in our day-to-day mundane lives. It's human nature. It's us. If we were strong in our beliefs, no outside party could ever convince us to do something contrary to those beliefs. But, like every other group on the planet, we are weak of spirit. And that's why we end up doing silly things.

[Jacfsing2]

7 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

We always tend to place the responsibility for our failings on these external figures, don't we? Brahmins, Brits, Mahants, etc. We seem to be very reluctant in confronting and accepting the darkness within ourselves that agrees with the devious whispers of these clever string-pullers; whispers that are ultimately acted upon by us in our day-to-day mundane lives. It's human nature. It's us. If we were strong in our beliefs, no outside party could ever convince us to do something contrary to those beliefs. But, like every other group on the planet, we are weak of spirit. And that's why we end up doing silly things.

True, I think it’s important that we become more humble and not be talking about of how great Sikhs we are but rather be grateful for Guru Sahib. 
 

It’s also easier for our lot to talk about how Hindus and Muslims try to kill us, but we hide the parts where the enemy is one of our own, (KPS Gill, Badal, Brar). 

[dharamyudh]

10 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Loved your post, but this bit in bold: is that entirely accurate? Were Indian castes intermingling and the rest of it before the first white foot set down on Indian soil? I would think the tens and thousands of years of blatant Brahmin social engineering that was lurking behind supposedly unquestionable religious philosophy has as much responsibility for what's happened as anyone who emerged later to capitalise on these divisions. Goreh induced what was already festering inside of us. They never created a castetist magic potion and poured it into our ears. Let's keep it real.

Sorry veerji, I should have clarified. I was trying to speak to leadership thing. Rather than being a caste problem in regards to leadership, it is more the result of political ideologies that were placed upon us. As we all know, these ramifications are still felt to this day. For example, the Canadian government forced Indigenous populations to adopt European politics in governing their bands (band council) and forced them to shed their traditional leadership methods. We all know the state of this community, especially here in Canada. At the end of the day, if you put a Khatri or even a Mazhabi into the leadership positions we have today, we are still going to be in the same position. Why? Because this is not a system that was given to us by our pyaara SatGuru. We let a farangi system tell us what to do, how to manage our gurdwaras, and so on. Instead of making this a caste issue, let us look at the root of it. To put it simply, a mlecch system is only going to produce mlecch leaders.  

[justasking]

i live in canada and am a jatt n live on the west but jatts in brampton have pretty much ruined the image of punjabis on the east coast as wannabe gangster and rampant alcoholics who drive there dads luxury cars on top of tht the jatt girls have given the reputation that punjabi women are loose and easy

[Jacfsing2]

53 minutes ago, justasking said:

i live in canada and am a jatt n live on the west but jatts in brampton have pretty much ruined the image of punjabis on the east coast as wannabe gangster and rampant alcoholics who drive there dads luxury cars on top of tht the jatt girls have given the reputation that punjabi women are loose and easy

People ultimately need an identity, if your identity isn't religion, you'll need to find something else

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, dharamyudh said:

Sorry veerji, I should have clarified. I was trying to speak to leadership thing. Rather than being a caste problem in regards to leadership, it is more the result of political ideologies that were placed upon us. As we all know, these ramifications are still felt to this day. For example, the Canadian government forced Indigenous populations to adopt European politics in governing their bands (band council) and forced them to shed their traditional leadership methods. We all know the state of this community, especially here in Canada. At the end of the day, if you put a Khatri or even a Mazhabi into the leadership positions we have today, we are still going to be in the same position. Why? Because this is not a system that was given to us by our pyaara SatGuru. We let a farangi system tell us what to do, how to manage our gurdwaras, and so on. Instead of making this a caste issue, let us look at the root of it. To put it simply, a mlecch system is only going to produce mlecch leaders.  

No need to apologise, brother. I agree with you, especially that text in bold.