Sikh man facing beheading in Saudi Arabia

[MisterrSingh]

12 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

no bro gurbani clearly states only Sikhi is the true panth.

I guess you think "There is no Hindu and no Musalmaan" implies "There is only Sikh." You've allowed pendus to interpret Gurbani for you without analysing and reciting it yourself, AND you've also neglected to understand the historical and social circumstances of the time in which it was received by the bhagats. Reading up on Indian history preceding and during the period of the emergence of Gurbani crystallises the mindset and intention of the various authors. It actually makes way more sense if you're aware of the background and life events of each of the bhagats who contributed.

Lots of picking and choosing going on. It's also ironic that the one Sikh scripture that would inculcate Sikhs from succumbing to bukwaas from outsiders is the one Sikh scripture that's decried as a fake! 

[MisterrSingh]

3 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

Can anyone find the teachings of Christianity, Islam or other religions before they were corrupted? No. Now the corrupted versions are what is believed by people all over the world so they cannot be the truth. Sikhi is the final truth now. Things that have been destroyed or changed cannot be rectified now. That is why the Gurus came to spread Sikhi to put people back on the true path. So its doesn't matter if the religions in their original form were the truth because now they are not and that is why Sikhi exists.

If Gurbani says so, then who are you to claim otherwise? Do you know more?

Also, Sikh affiliation and fondness for Islam is concrete. Was it Guru Gobind Singh or Guru Tegh Bahadur who said they weren't combatting Islam for being Islam; they said they'd fight against anyone who was using any religion as a front to oppress and murder? Yes, so if the Mughals were Christians, Buddhists, Jains, etc, nothing would've changed. Islam was never treated as the enemy. It was only certain Muslims who claimed to represent it that were rallied against.

I hate to do this, but you folks really need to wake up. Now, a friend is telling you these FACTS that our own belief system propagates but which we choose to ignore. When our enemies will hit us with these bricks we won't be ready for it.

[MisterrSingh]

If you think I'm talking tatti, then fair enough.

But go listen to ANY Katha performed by the panth's great sants, mahapurash, gianis, kathavachaks of the past 60 years, and you'll not hear anything negative about Mohammed and Islam as a valid belief system. 

You'll hear criticism of Islamic PRACTICES or rituals performed by those who say they're Muslims, but you'll NEVER encounter a fundamental disavowal of the validity of Islam as a path to God.

Then how can we utilise Sikhi to dismantle Islam when it's always remained in it's good graces? 

Didn't Sant Jarnail Singh say that a Muslim should be a good Muslim, a Hindu a good Hindu, etc? There was no, "Muslims should leave Islam" or "Islam is false." Even in relatively recent Sikh history our leadership has sought to make bridges with Islam. What part of Sikhi can we use to stand against Islam that doesn't make it seem like we're just making up 5hit to combat them? Our religious leadership hasn't ever given us ANY ammunition against them. Why?

[dallysingh101]

Look at extant rahits (i.e. not the new modern one) for a more balanced picture. 

[proudkaur21]

5 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

If you think I'm talking tatti, then fair enough.

But go listen to ANY Katha performed by the panth's great sants, mahapurash, gianis, kathavachaks of the past 60 years, and you'll not hear anything negative about Mohammed and Islam as a valid belief system. 

You'll hear criticism of Islamic PRACTICES or rituals performed by those who say they're Muslims, but you'll NEVER encounter a fundamental disavowal of the validity of Islam as a path to God.

Then how can we utilise Sikhi to dismantle Islam when it's always remained in it's good graces? 

Didn't Sant Jarnail Singh say that a Muslim should be a good Muslim, a Hindu a good Hindu, etc? There was no, "Muslims should leave Islam" or "Islam is false." Even in relatively recent Sikh history our leadership has sought to make bridges with Islam. What part of Sikhi can we use to stand against Islam that doesn't make it seem like we're just making up 5hit to combat them? Our religious leadership hasn't ever given us ANY ammunition against them. Why?

No but tell me does gurbani say pilgrimages,fastings are useless. Yes or no?

[MisterrSingh]

30 minutes ago, proudkaur21 said:

No but tell me does gurbani say pilgrimages,fastings are useless. Yes or no?

In 40 years when village Gurdwaras in Punjab are being attacked and Sikh girls are being coerced into Islam, would you suggest the victims start shouting, "Gurbani says pilgrimages and fasting is useless!"? 

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

In 40 years when village Gurdwaras in Punjab are being attacked and Sikh girls are being coerced into Islam, would you suggest the victims start shouting, "Gurbani says pilgrimages and fasting is useless!"? 

What you worried about. We can always call this guy to save the day:

 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

18 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

1. In order to turn Punjab to a Sikh minority, it is one thing for it to become Hindu Majority but it seems to be a two pronged Abrahamic carve up to turn us into a minority.

2. Looking at things, Christians and Muslims are working together until a point comes before they turn on each other.

3. Who the heck wants this to be an Abrahamic subcontinent? 

Correct on all you say Ranjeet Singh but I'd add:

1. It's actually a three-pronged approach as in order to turn Sikhs into a minority by the 2031 census a Hindu majority is not needed.

i) So obviously there is economic labour migration from people perceived to be Hindu's but who with parchaar could readily become new sehajdhari Sikhs in most cases. These folks are essential for the economy of Punjab and provided we assimilate them as new Sikhs there won't be a problem if we simply educate them about our Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji from Bihar and Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj. What is today perceived as a problem could turn into a massive demographic blessing for the Panth if we integrate and welcome new non-Punjabi's into the Sikh Panth.

ii) Then you have the two Abrahamic communities who together are currently at around a matching percentage to Muslims in the UK. Both these communities oppose the BJP's anti-conversion and anti-love-jihad/baptism laws. The Christians are planting massive Christian crosses on strategic corners to the pinds where their business franchises are operating. The Muslims having wanted to annex east Punjab into Pakistan in 1947 were given free reign to reactivate and rebuild as many empty mosques by Muhammad Izhar Alam who was appointed head of the Punjab Waqf Board as a reward for his Genocide of so many Amritdhari Sikhs in the 1980's on behalf of the Gandhi family. Badal Dal appointed the killer's wife as an MLA. Hindutva should and does oppose the Abrahamics in their own ruled states. However, Sikhi represents the biggest indigenous threat to the corrupt Indian system and Hindutva out there and hence in east Punjab they are encouraged purely to tilt the scales towards Sikhs becoming a minority in Punjab by the 2031 census. Hindutva seeks to divide and rule whereas Sikhi would unify the poor under Sri Nishan Sahib for the betterment of society.

iii) Last but not least and possibly the most important is the agenda by RAW to rebrand around 5-6 million Sikhs of Ravidasi and Mazhabi ancestry into tomorrow's Hindu Chamar and Hindu Balmiki votebanks for the BJP nowadays but it was the Indira Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi who initiated this demented ideology with the end target being to leave Sikhs in a decisive minority in Majha and Malwa (given that we are already a minority in Doaba where many of us in the Diaspora have ancestors).

The only way we can fightback against this evil agenda against our Panth is if we unite each and every pind in Punjab under a single united Gurdwara in this decade. There is simply no way for a community split by various apartheid franchise Dera's in a single pind to survive. When Sikhs were killed during the 1947 Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs in which 25% of Sikhs were killed there and during the Congress Genocide of Sikhs none of the killers bothered to do a background check on the ancestry of the Sikhs they were killing and that's why desperately need to unite among ourselves as once we are United, no power on this planet cannot stop. United we stand, Divided we fall.

  

[SinghPunjabSingh]

21 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What you worried about. We can always call this guy to save the day:

The question to ask yourself Dally is why would Bollywood in this instance hone in on a single tribe out of thousands in India?

That tribe represents around 21% of the population of east Punjab and 40% of Sikh demographics in east Punjab.

But in India, the Sikh adherents from that tribal ancestry represent less than 1 in 200 of the population but the Government still encourages Hindu film-makers to name a title as such in order to divide and rule the Sikh community. 

[5aaban]

11 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

It seems the past 10 years of feeding the Sikh mind with Sufi / Islamophilic culture has done its job. Its softened up the Sikh mind to open themselves up to people they should keep at arm's length. I don't believe any of this romanticisation of Islamic culture in Punjab over the past few years is an accident.