Guardian Front Page Today - Sikh Man

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Sikhs should by now know that's in the best interests of our daughters and even sons to tell them about muslims since childhood. 

Islamophobia is a mythical construct of liberal leftists, we don't care. A young Sikh woman suspicious of Muslim men in general is better than go lucky Sikh woman who is trapped by grooming gangs. 

The onus is on muslim men to prove their innocence. Not us. 

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13 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

I can speak for myself, growing up in a majority sullah area. I've had plenty of 'dialogue' with your people. It's like talking to sociopaths who go mental with narcissistic rage when faced with reality. Come on now....face it....your 'messenger' appears to be what we would call a pedophile today. Is that true or not? If you (personally!!!) saw a 50 year old (let's just say) white man sniffing up to a 10/12 year old for 'marriage'  you'd think: "What the hell!! This guys a predatory pervert!!" but because of your brainwashing you've accepted someone like this as some messenger from our creator........f**k NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 Exactly...you've just reinforced my point - those frameworks are 'woefully inadequate' for our thing. They only mislead. 

nteresting that he hasn't addressed this post.

We need to understand the psychology of people like him and how trying to debate people like him is pointless. 

The problem with people like him is that they have lost the ability to reflect. If the starting point to your belief system is that a man was the final prophet and he was the perfect human being, then when you hit any facts that shows that he was charlatan and a paedophile then you are quite willing to dismiss these facts because to acknowledge these would destroy your faith. It is much easier and safer to just ignore these facts and against all facts to the contrary just continue to believe that Mohammed was a prophet and married a 6 year old just to cement his ties to one of his friends! 

Islam is really a house of cards built on sand. Though their propaganda they mouth the same lies over and over again and as Goebbels said if a lie is repeated enough times it becomes the truth to most people. The vast majority of Muslims do not know all their religion, the believe their prophets was a kind, good man who was persecuted and never persecuted anyone and who loved animals and was good with kids . When they some across any facts which tell the truth about Mohammed, Islam has provided a million and one excuses which that Muslim can use to repress his natural unease at what Mohammed did. If the unease is about Aisha, who their prophet married at 6 years of age and then consummated the marriage at the ripe old age of 9!  They can either believe that she was not 6 years old but 16, 17, 18, 19 or even 21 according to whichever attempt at denying their prophet's paedophilia they want to accept! If they don't want to accept that and want to accept the overwhelming evidence that she was 6 then he can choose to accept the 'scientific' theory that girls aged much faster in Mohammed's time or the climate of Arabia was so unique that girls entered puberty much earlier than our time! All these million and one excuses just to deny what any rational person would accept as Mohammed's paedophilia. 

The most amusing video I watched lately was some deluded white Muslim convert defending Mohammed's marriage to  a 6 year old child by saying that Gandhi also married at a young age! Btw Gandhi was 13 years old when he married his wife who was 14! A bit of a stretch to compare Gandhi's marriage to Mohammed's marriage. But Islam is about trying to convince people that right is wrong and black is white. In the early 1990s I remember a Muslim convert ring a radio station and stating that what convinced him of the truth of Islam was that Neil Armstrong heard the Azan on the moon and had become a Muslim and moved to Lebanon. The truth was that Neil Armstrong himself had to deny this story and he didn't become a Muslim and the only Lebanon he moved to was his home town called Lebanon in the USA!  

Islam's lies to bring people into its fold. After Neil Armstrong, they had the 'science' in the Quran scam which has pretty much been debunked and even those Muslims who propagated this have backed off. Then it was the no. 19 miracle. Even such shite as 10 words in Quran have 40 rhetorical devices contained in them. Muslims are constantly trying to every type of subterfuge to show how superior their religion is. One thing they try not to use is the teachings of the Quran and the life of their prophets which is something that all other religion use for parchar. 

The marriage of Aisha is just one of hundreds of events and issues in Mohammed's life that totally negate the Muslim view of him as a prophet and a perfect human being. This is why all the Islamic organisations are constantly trying to push back the tide of rational questions about their prophet and their religion. The Muslim defence of Mohammed the slave trader and Islam's 1400 year of slave trading is that Islamic slavery is not the same as western slavery, because Islamic slavery is benign! As I said Islam is a house of cards built on sand. The thing which stops this house crashing down is that the vast majority of Muslims are ignorant of what Mohammed really did according to their own texts. Of the ones who become aware, the majority start to live lives of denial and the minority leave Islam and either become silent on Islam or become vocal ex-Muslims. 

The biggest irony that Muslims like this guy engage in is in presenting themselves to be rational human beings. For a rational human being a man of 53 consummating his 'marriage' to a child of 9 would be seen as outrageous, but for our 'rational' Muslim neighbour this is quite in keeping with Mohammed as a perfect human. He knows deep down that this is wrong but like anyone who has bought into a cult, he cannot criticise the leader or leave the cult because he knows that carries a death sentence. Although this guy appears to deny this but that threat exists and here is a youtube video of a Kalash people in Pakistan. Watch between 12.40 and 13.50.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iv8an_dWTuE

Now why would the Mullahs want to kill a simple tribal women who wants to revert back to her own Kalash religion? In a nation of nearly 200 million Muslims and over a billion worldwide why would one woman's actions to leave Islam mean death for her? In Pakistan hundreds if not thousands of Muslims die a day because they cannot feed themselves or they have no access to medicines, why is her life important and not theirs? If she leaves and the Mullah instead of killing her devote their time and resources to saving 10 Muslims by providing them food and medicines isn't that a net positive for Islam? No, they chose not to do this  because for the vast majority of Muslims, it has been so ingrained in them that their religion is perfect that they cannot even envisage that someone would come to it willingly and leave it willingly. If she can do it then maybe they can too and then it opens the floodgates and this is why her remaining a Muslim is so important. 

[Premi5]

Leicester in extended enforced Lockdown due to high numbers of COVID

Can see conspiracy by 'them' (Govt) to take away peoples' liberties more and more 

[GurjantGnostic]

55 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

The numbers of Sikhs in the Pakistani Army is minuscule to even have an opinion on whether or not they're cannon fodder, the same cannot be said for their counterparts in India where anytime there's a skirmish Sikh soldiers are amongst the dead whether from the Chinese, Pakistani army or freedom fighters of Kashmir. I wouldn't call being in the Pakistani police force as being cannon fodder at all but their counter parts in Indian Pubjab who are oppressing their own Sikh brothers is something next level.

The State of Pakistan does not scheme against Sikh females or approve of kidnappings, you've mistaken Pakistan for your Dharmic Hindu brothers of India where it's State backed persecution against Muslims, Gujrat riots by Chai Wala, Kashmir, mob lynchings for anything related to the Holy Cow, Delhi riots where police were aiding the Hindu violence against Muslims, removal of article 370 and so on.

Aww the old 'ancestors were cowards that's why they converted' narrative. I know very well from the Sikh and Hindu mind people only convert from Hinduism or Sikhi because they were either forced or duped not because they found more convincing arguments from another faith, anything to help you sleep better at night and make threads like 'How do we get Sikhi to spread' with answers like 'introduce them to Yoga first'.

You should be the last person on the forum to talk about izzat, where was yours when you coerced a NON-SIKH Brazilian man to marry you?

Lol. Have fun in hell bro and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. 

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

The numbers of Sikhs in the Pakistani Army is minuscule to even have an opinion on whether or not they're cannon fodder, the same cannot be said for their counterparts in India where anytime there's a skirmish Sikh soldiers are amongst the dead whether from the Chinese, Pakistani army or freedom fighters of Kashmir. I wouldn't call being in the Pakistani police force as being cannon fodder at all but their counter parts in Indian Pubjab who are oppressing their own Sikh brothers is something next level.

The State of Pakistan does not scheme against Sikh females or approve of kidnappings, you've mistaken Pakistan for your Dharmic Hindu brothers of India where it's State backed persecution against Muslims, Gujrat riots by Chai Wala, Kashmir, mob lynchings for anything related to the Holy Cow, Delhi riots where police were aiding the Hindu violence against Muslims, removal of article 370 and so on.

Aww the old 'ancestors were cowards that's why they converted' narrative. I know very well from the Sikh and Hindu mind people only convert from Hinduism or Sikhi because they were either forced or duped not because they found more convincing arguments from another faith, anything to help you sleep better at night and make threads like 'How do we get Sikhi to spread' with answers like 'introduce them to Yoga first'.

You should be the last person on the forum to talk about izzat, where was yours when you coerced a NON-SIKH Brazilian man to marry you?

your govt has no spine to punish kidnappers and return the girls to their families and because it is against the declaration that the conversion is invalid as it was done under duress , they show their true colours. The poor girl is stranded in refuges where their families cannot visit and they are still pressurised to return to their rapists.

My izzat is between me and my Guru , who blessed My engagement, marriage and life in sikhi , it doesn't depend on the opinion of trashy mentality

[jkvlondon]

8 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

Moving the goal posts hey as I dismantle your points thoroughly. I would personally like a dedicated team to tackle such issues and bring back these girls to their families and punish those involved but the reality is Pakistan faces far greater issues then a few girls being kidnapped here and there and thus issues like these are at the bottom of a large pile. It would help if you spent less on Langar and more on helping such people. As I'm sure you're aware just recently the police acted swiftly against a guy trying to cause harm to the Sikh community in Sacha Sodha if I'm not mistaken, had that been India the Nation of your Dharmic brothers and inspiration for Sikhi, deaths would have occured and Police would have stood by and watched with pleasure if not outright helped the perps.

Aww don't a lot of girls who do trashy things always like to play the old 'It's between me and God' routine.

The fact you're a deeply religous Kaur and didn't find any Amritdhari Sikh handsome and worthy of your love and chose a non-Sikh Brazilian man instead is truly shameful and validates that poster who says he will NEVER marry a Sikh woman because they're xyz.

the two issues are related because it was the brother of the kidnapper/rapist  also part of the two AM kidnap team who actually tried to incite hatred and stoning of Nanakana Sahib pilgrims and granthi (father of kidnapped girl) at the news that the girl was not going to be returned to his brother.  I'm glad that he is warming a seat in prison under terrorism charges  but the truth is he created the original crime .

Our spending on langar is not a problem , it's scummy people who think they are above the law just because they are one of the majority group, doesn't matter which side of the border.

My husband is a sikh what is wrong with your brain ?

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

My husband is a sikh what is wrong with your brain ?

His mum and dad are probably first cousins, and his grandparents too most likely. That might explain it?

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27 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

His mum and dad are probably first cousins, and his grandparents too most likely. That might explain it?

Imagine having the same grandma as your partner!    I just can't get my head around that stuff, don't know how they do that. 

We have a family down our road 12 siblings and they all married their cousins, and the husbands, wives, children, cousins all have the same faces! the same eyes, nose, and forehead, as an outsider you actually can't tell which is the sibling and which is the spouse anymore. 

It must get all confusing and some point right! especially at the family gatherings! 

[Jonny101]

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

Imagine having the same grandma as your partner!    I just can't get my head around that stuff, don't know how they do that. 

We have a family down our road 12 siblings and they all married their cousins, and the husbands, wives, children, cousins all have the same faces! the same eyes, nose, and forehead, as an outsider you actually can't tell which is the sibling and which is the spouse anymore. 

It must get all confusing and some point right! especially at the family gatherings! 

That's one of the weirdest Islamic practices. When Bedouin Arabs did cousin marriages 1400 years ago it was probably due to the fact that each family and tribe lived in isolation from one another. So they had no choice but to marry their cousin sisters. But what compulsion are desi Muslims facing that they copied this semi incest practice from the Arabs. It's neither good for their gene pool.

[jkvlondon]

14 minutes ago, MuslimNeighbour said:

I doubt your husband officially became a Sikh prior to any physical intimacy with him, you married a non-Sikh Brazilian man. Bet the conversations and mood in your family were great at the time, naughty naughty. As I said in another response to you, those girls Mohan lectures at Unis and in the Gurdwaras are a reflection of your younger self.

yeah sure whatever , one thing both hinduvta and musleh do and it shows their weak and insecure selves out , is try to preach to sikhs about how non-punjabis cannot become sikhs... you and they are factually wrong there are myriad faiths who are realising the true spiritual path without ridiculous kowtowing to priests and mullahs . Go on , do one