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Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

People kind of forget that we are quam.

What that means is there is a tribal loyalty even if the quam has manmukhs in it. 

True, but It depends though, the monas discussed in general are quite loyal, in comparison to the gora-fyed ones who basically are the complete opposite. 

I think it comes down to your family. 

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Maybe because Jats are the only remaining group who are still actively alpha amongst the Sikh community.  We could also ask why are Jats the only group to aggressively take on Delhi in the protests.  

How much steroids and coke do these jut peasants need to take to make them feel alpha????  hahahahahaaaa!

Don’t say that bro you’re gonna hurt feelings of a certain ‘DollySingh’.  He still a hasn’t got over when his tribe got told leave by a few Kaleh armed with only sticks and stones from ‘Wakanda’.  Suc

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2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

True, but It depends though, the monas discussed in general are quite loyal, in comparison to the gora-fyed ones who basically are the complete opposite. 

I think it comes down to your family. 

I think our community is guilty of peddling and perpetuating myths in order to explain certain phenomena in our culture. I was guilty of it myself in the past until I was exposed to people that challenged me to think again. 

We've been lead to believe that observant or religious Sikhs have a monopoly on moral and social decorum; that everyone else exists in a degenerate sphere of immorality and loose behaviour.

The theory is that religious rules create a reserved and austere mindset that inoculates us from dangerous social and cultural trends designed to drag us further from God. It's an understandable attitude until you encounter a family of moneh who are more conservative, restrained, and respectable in demeanour compared to a family of practicing Amritdharis where the mother dabbles in witchcraft, the sons are on lads' holidays to Dubai, and the family in general are slaves to material excess and ostentatiousness.  The cognitive dissonance this initially causes in the bystander after a lifetime of believing the opposite is quite an eye opener to say the least.

 

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2 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:

Yeh I did hear it was really bad for them.  I also heard that quite a large proportion of the people that turned on them were the servants that worked for them.  You won’t hear any of the Kenyan crew talk about how they morphed into the ‘brown imperialists’ working for their firangi masters.  They treated their black servants like dirt.  They would go on hunts and have black servants run behind their vehicles for miles whilst they roll played being White Imperialists.  They would also feed them the jooth that was left over from their plates.  Then they came over to the UK with their Peugeot’s and Volvos and would look down on Punjabis and call them pendus and janglis because they worked as labourers and came from farming backgrounds.  In fact they distanced themselves completely from the Punjabi community and set up their own Gurdwaras/Club/Halls/Societies and only followed babeh that toured in Africa.  They are usually portrayed in images that have them sat on leopard skin, maybe because this allows them to claim some ownership on them.  To cut a long story short this community has created more division and pushed cast segregation more than any Punjabi Jatts as DallySingh would have you believe.  They still romanticise that period of time as the good old glory days. 

Jatts are very open accepting ppl sure they have downfalls but all community do and  ive never  ever seen jatt only gurdwara. most canadian karkhus were jatt saini or rajput/mahton like Lakhbir Singh Brar(Jatt and Sant Ji Nephew)  Inderjit Singh Reyat  (ramgharia caught by intelligence testing explosives in forest in Vancouver Island) perhaps most notorious of all Talwinder Singh Parmar(Rajput/Mahton scapegoat for allegedly blew up air india plane)

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Just now, MisterrSingh said:

I think our community is guilty of peddling and perpetuating myths in order to explain certain phenomena in our culture. I was guilty of it myself in the past until I was exposed to people that challenged me to think again. 

We've been lead to believe that observant or religious Sikhs have a monopoly on moral and social decorum; that everyone else exists in a degenerate sphere of immorality and loose behaviour.

The theory is that religious rules create a reserved and austere mindset that inoculates us from dangerous social and cultural trends designed to drag us further from God. It's an understandable attitude until you encounter a family of moneh who are more conservative, restrained, and respectable in demeanour compared to a family of practicing Amritdharis where the mother dabbles in witchcraft, the sons are on lads' holidays to Dubai, and the family in general are slaves to material excess and ostentatiousness.  The cognitive dissonance this initially causes in the bystander after a lifetime of believing the opposite is quite an eye opener to say the least.

 

Yeah its quite complex. We end up trying to see everything in black&white, when it really isn't like that. 

Though I haven't had enough time to get to know many Amritdhari families, I have already come across some disappointments! because that is what it is for someone who comes into Sikhi and sees the corruption.  

I think there is more corruption in Amritdharis who are born into Amritdhari families, than people who become Amritdhari.  ?? 

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Just now, justasking said:

 Talwinder Singh Parmar(Rajput/Mahton allegedly blew up air india plane)

Didn't they investigate and find no proof of his involvement in the bombing? he was never convicted ? 

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3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Didn't they investigate and find no proof of his involvement in the bombing? he was never convicted ? 

his story is pretty shade the canadian intellegince allegdly had videos of him and bhai Reyat actually testing explosives in a forest in vancouver island which didn't help. and also they wire tapped a house in Burnaby in which Bhai Brar  and Parmar were in discussing plans to blow up several other planes. He never got convicted but was killed in India as we all know. still very well respected and lovedamong the community however there are certain segments tht hate on him and these same gurdwarey tht do also have commitees tht allow inter faith wedding and run a party hall 

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14 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I think there is more corruption in Amritdharis who are born into Amritdhari families, than people who become Amritdhari.  ?? 

That's a very good distinction. Maybe there's a sense of complacency that comes from being multi-generational religious, i.e. a sense of, "We're safe from judgement / We've made it / Nothing for us to fear from other people" that comes with the territory? Alternatively, those who find the path for the first time tend to exhibit a greater sense of humility and desire to do things the right way as they see it? There's obvious exceptions in both types of people.

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9 hours ago, puzzled said:

Tattoos of Khandas and other Sikh related things is just wrong. I've got a cousin in Canada who has a tattoo of a historical Sikh figure on his arm, its just wrong. 

Yes you are correct, it is wrong but a lot of these guys don't realise this.

Tattoos again are tribal.

In mainstream gora society, tatoos have become normal.

So this has infiltrated into sections of the quam.

However, tattoos traditionally were used by army, navy as a sense of belonging in their particular unit.

I think this section of the quam see it in the same way.

Personally,  I am not happy with what has happened with the khanda. 

It's become like brand logo  like Nike or Mercedes etc. It's been commercialised. 

 

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6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Yes you are correct, it is wrong but a lot of these guys don't realise this.

Tattoos again are tribal.

In mainstream gora society, tatoos have become normal.

So this has infiltrated into sections of the quam.

However, tattoos traditionally were used by army, navy as a sense of belonging in their particular unit.

I think this section of the quam see it in the same way.

Bhai Hari Singh ji Randhawe wale have a Ik Oankar tattoo on their hand, and I know relatives over 60 with the same.

Any idea if this was a 'fad' in the 1950's or 60's or more recently even ?

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Just now, MisterrSingh said:

That's a very good distinction. Maybe there's a sense of complacency that comes from being multi-generational religious, i.e. a sense of, "We're safe from judgement / We've made it / Nothing for us to fear from other people" that comes with the territory? Alternatively, those who find the path for the first time tend to exhibit a greater sense of humility and desire to do things the right way as they see it? There's obvious exceptions in both types of people.

Yeah I've definitely come across the "we're saved and God loves us more" type of Amritdharis, and they're normally from Amritdhari families themselves. I think that is the case with many. 

Some behave as if they were divinely conceived in heaven and then dropped off into their mothers arms by a stork. 

But like you said its not the case with all of them. I've come across so many Singhs who are so humble and giving.

Sometimes you can easily read someone's face and get an impression of what they're like, lol   proud and snobby people just can't hide it, it reflects on their face, don't you think ?  lol 

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Just now, justasking said:

his story is pretty shade the canadian intellegince allegdly had videos of him and bhai Reyat actually testing explosives in a forest in vancouver island which didn't help. and also they wire tapped a house in Burnaby in which Bhai Brar  and Parmar were in discussing plans to blow up several other planes. He never got convicted but was killed in India as we all know. still very well respected and lovedamong the community however there are certain segments tht hate on him and these same gurdwarey tht do also have commitees tht allow inter faith wedding and run a party hall 

Yeah, some people say he was an agent, but then why would leave the comfort of Canada and go back to a war zone like Punjab and live like a kharku ... 

Its easy for people to sit back and criticise Singhs who fought for the community. Punjab back in the 80s and 90s was basically a war zone. 

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36 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Yeah, some people say he was an agent, but then why would leave the comfort of Canada and go back to a war zone like Punjab and live like a kharku ... 

Its easy for people to sit back and criticise Singhs who fought for the community. Punjab back in the 80s and 90s was basically a war zone. 

I heard these rumours to but these are baseless claims. Elders that were knew him remember him being very much inlove with Sikhi but the man was very fiery and a bit overboard (my mama who wasnt Gursikh at the time told me how my Nani would tell him to stay away from Parmar and the Singhs associated with him) this is because he had lost young relatives and close friends  in fake encounters and Operation blue star really turned his heart. Him and other Singhs were actively recruiting Canadians at the time to go back and fight. Im not trying to sound castist but it was pretty much only cetain communtiies doing this among those mostly Jatt, Saini and  Mahtons i think these are the ones tht moved mostly to canada also look at how they didnt care about caste were all 1 . I have very little knowledge of UK karkhu movement other than UK singhs raised lots of money i dont know about any active drives to send youth back to fight if u have any details on tht it would be interesting  

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Just now, justasking said:

I heard these rumours to but these are baseless claims. Elders that were knew him remember him being very much inlove with Sikhi but the man was very fiery and a bit over board this is because he had lost young relatives and close friends  in fake encounters and Operation blue star really turned his heart. Him and other Singhs were actively recruiting Canadians at the time to go back and fight. Im not trying to sound castist but it was pretty much only cetain communtiies doing this among those mostly Jatt, Saini and Mahtons i think these are the ones tht moved mostly to canada also. I have very little knowledge of UK karkhu movement other than UK singhs raised lots of money i dont know about any active drives to send youth back to fight if u have any details on tht it would be interesting 

Yeah, I've read a bit about Bhai Sahib and he was very dedicated to Sikhi, Parchaar and the freedom movement, and from what I've read he was loved by the sangat.

Rumours about Sant Jarnail Singh ji being a congress agent have been around for a very long time. A lot has been done to tarnish the Shaheeds, some of it by the government while some of it by "sikhs"

Yeah Its not surprising. My dads pind is Saini majority, a farming community. We're from Doaba which has quite a strong Saini community. Jatt-Saini Inter-caste marriages happen, which isn't surprising. My mothers friend is from a Saini family and she's married to a man from a Jatt family. 

From what I know UK Sikhs raised a lot of money. The video that uploaded today of the shaheedi samagam is from my local Gurdwara. We also had Bibi Bimal ji, wife of Shaheed Beant Singh ji, come to the Gurdwara to do a speech, But I was a couple of months old when it happened so I wasn't there, lol.  From what I know some people from the UK did go to Punjab to fight, but it was far less than the number of Canadians that went. 

Theres a video of Bhai Avtar Singh Brahma and Canadian Singhs on youtube, target practicing. 

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Just now, Premi5 said:

Bhai Hari Singh ji Randhawe wale have a Ik Oankar tattoo on their hand, and I know relatives over 60 with the same.

Any idea if this was a 'fad' in the 1950's or 60's or more recently even ?

Yeah I've noticed a lot of older Sikhs have tattoos of Khanda on their hand. My nani had one. 

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4 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Yeah I've noticed a lot of older Sikhs have tattoos of Khanda on their hand. My nani had one. 

The giani ji in my gurdwara has a ek onkar on his hand...i think it was a common thing to get one in the villages

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