82% of Sikh youth pray - could we be turning the corner

[justasking]

the problem with hindu jats is if they embrace SIkhi they might still retain there hindu customs and peddle the Sikhs are hindus 

[GurjantGnostic]

Why don't we make our own movies again? Like Sikhs make money every way possible except film? Least the Truth be told? Lol. 

We're sleeping on using anime as a platform too. 

And we've yet to fully apply Raag and Tabla beats to modern electronic music. The good stuff out there is just Katha or Gurbani over existing styles of electronic music. 

We should be making all that stuff in our frequencies and time signatures. 

We have to communicate shamelessly with outsiders and the youth of this world. 

[proactive]

5 hours ago, justasking said:

the problem with hindu jats is if they embrace SIkhi they might still retain there hindu customs and peddle the Sikhs are hindus 

Did you actually read the threads on here about why Jaats are coming to Sikhi? Jaats are coming to Sikhi by REJECTING Hinduism. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Does anyone have a good comprehensive reference or site for what constitutes the basic definitions of the Raags and Tabla beats?

[GurjantGnostic]

9 hours ago, SikhKosh said:

You could be right, I have stopped following the details of these love jihad news because in many cases in the end it turns out that our 'own' girls were complicit as well. Such as the case where Pak journalist Harmeet Singh's younger brother was killed. It turns out his fiancée had an affair with a Muslim guy and they both decided to get rid of him. I nowhere support Muslim grooming but somehow we as Sikhs have also lost our notion of anakh (self respect) and izzat (honor) and our openness lets our girls become friendly with these strangers who in turn brainwash them from a young age.

Anyhow, all I remember was that the fat sullah doing the hate speech in Nankana Sahib was put behind bars swiftly, the Maharaja Ranjit Singh statue vandalisers as well. I miss the same swiftness (even if only for show) in India.

Others than that I do not wish to argue with a fellow brother for Paks or muslay. So lets just leave the Pak Punjabi Muslim angle at this. 

Yes it's good we realize that some of these females are indeed complicit, and if a family knows that they should never misrepresent the situation to the Sangat. 

However. Grooming and love jihad being a real issue, and a swept under the rug perpetuated one, we must screen for it in basically all cases. 

[Premi5]

On 12/25/2021 at 4:59 PM, SikhKosh said:

I do not agree completely on the Pak Muslim angle. While we have to be aware of the Pak Muslims and the agenda of ISI (them utilizing Sikhs against India), these renewed relations can be used by visionary Sikh leaders for many purposes (many of which should not be discussed on public forums). This is a tricky one, needs a different approach than the renewed Sikh-Jaat relations but can yield positive results if done properly:

- Rebuilding other Gurdwaras, historical places related to Sikhs, recovering Gurdwaras that were converted into schools and so on, organising exhibitions and increasing awareness of Sikh rule and Sikh past of Pakistan for the general population (this is being acknowledged by Pak Muslims much more than before - there are restaurants with Sikh historical paintings in Lahore and so on). 

- increase of parchar among non Muslim Pakistanis (Hindus and Christians) with state 'approval'

- Focusing on Pakistani (Muslim) Juts and other common castes, not for conversion, but creation of cultural organisations (Unionist Mission, and so on) for exchanging ideas, and so on thus increasing their overall closeness to the Sikh cause. I have talked to many Pakistani Juts, many of whom have Sikh ancestry, and they have a soft corner for Sikhs being Juts and consider themselves different to other Pak Muslims.

 

@SikhKosh

Where did you talk to these jats ?

How exactly do they consider themselves 'different' ? 

[Not2Cool2Argue]

17 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Does anyone have a good comprehensive reference or site for what constitutes the basic definitions of the Raags and Tabla beats?

Sadly Muslim and Hindu musicians have more prestige and knowledge.

Take a look at YouTube channel parminder singh, he has a Playlist of all raags called swaar samund series or similar. 

Raj academy teaches taanti (original, stringed) saaj (instruments)

Here's a Hindu website http://vishwamohini.com/music/home.php

In terms of comprehensive theory, I have no idea where to find it. 

Although South India has really cool beats and music with tabla that they use in  their Shiva and end of world dances. 

[dallysingh101]

On 12/25/2021 at 4:59 PM, SikhKosh said:

I have talked to many Pakistani Juts, many of whom have Sikh ancestry, and they have a soft corner for Sikhs being Juts and consider themselves different to other Pak Muslims.

 

I grew up with these types. Firstly they lie about Sikh ancestry because they are shamed of their Hindu ancestry. Secondly they have serious pedo issues going on in their community. 

If you think they aren't primarily loyal to islam, you must be a retard they are stringing along.  

[SikhKosh]

Dalleya, while some Pakis do lie about it, there are genuine cases of Pak Muslims having Sikh ancestry. Just look at the poet Afzal Ahsan Randhawa who was a descendant of Baba Buddha Ji. 

Others than that, while grooming and other activities to subjugate Kaafir women are acceptable in Islam, the biggest issue in the UK is because these groomers are from Mirpuri backgrounds. Mirpuris are generally more inclined towards crime than Pak Punjabis. Just compare Pakis in the US (primarily Punjabis) and Pakis in the UK (primarily Mirpuris) and you will see the difference.

Anyhow, how is the work on construction sites going? Still jealous of the young Jatt guys who are everything you aspire to be in some janam / birth?

 

[dallysingh101]

On 12/25/2021 at 6:50 PM, SikhKosh said:

A lot of Haryanvi Jaats kidnapped Sikh women and took them to their villages in Haryana to be kept as slaves just 3 decades back.

I think that's just normal jut cultural behaviour, so maybe that's why many 'Sikh' juts wouldn't think much of it? That's why they let these things slide. 

You can kidnap and rape their womenfolk, but a short while later, for political purposes, it's all water under the bridge. No true izzat.