Islam has become Redpilled in the West...Everyone is converting to Islam

[Ranjeet01]

45 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

They also had a head start on their preaching and have known and interacted other abrahamics from a long time ago. So they've had more time to develop their techniques, and frankly as we know (or should!!) they aren't remotely averse to using underhand tactics like targeting the vulnerable or under-aged (especially females) or trying to use scare tactics when they feel they have numbers or a perceived upper hand. 

It must be said though, according to Jahangir's memoirs, In Guru Arjan Dev Ji's time, Sikhi parchaar was so strong even sullay were converting (hence jahangir's anger).   

Thing with sullahism is that it is what you outlined above, pure rule based, technical - it doesn't have soul like Sikhi.   

But we should note, even according to their own faith, most of them are going to go to hell. 

 

Another issue I think we have these days, is that our parchaar is too 'soft'. We are too scared to offend other people, when we have exchanges - even if they are the ones that instigate it. This needs to stop! Bhai Jagraj Singh ji reignited that trend for in-your-face parchaar, and this should continue. I distinctly recall in the 80s, when christian preachers would knock on doors to 'speak' to people (but really to convert them), sullay already had pamplets and tracts to refute all of the christian missionary activity. And they didn't hold back - questioning the authenticity of the bible, pointing out contradictions therein  etc. etc.   

We should also mercilessly put the boot in when required, point out the pedo problems in their communities, show how they kill each other, and all the vile gundh they do behind the façade.   But we need to make sure we have warriors ready too, because these lot like to try and undermine other people's beliefs, but cry and throw wobblies when someone does it to them and they can't answer the criticisms (which is easily done). 

They have hundreds of years to perfect their techniques.

During Jahanghir's time, I imagine that the Muslims during that period were probably converted quite recently. So the indoctrination was not so embedded into them.

Islam has different levels. One for the common Muslim, one for the scholars etc. There is gnostic, esoteric level that is available to the high level Muslims. It is basically belief in the occult. 

Bhai Jagraj Singh was quite a unique character/personality, quite charismatic. In his early career, he worked in sales and I imagine in his younger days, he probably had the gift of the gab. 

In sales/marketing terms, we have a superior product but we are not particularly good salesmen. 

 

[Jacfsing2]

Speaking for real, in modern times our faith is heavily-centric to Punjab and Punjabi issues. There are more talks on Punjab in Punjabi in Gurdwaras than the issues aam bande have wherever they live. If all the people in the Gurdwara are Punjabi, all the talks are in Punjabi, and we are talking about Punjab; why would average Gora or Kalla want to join? What made people like Jugraj Singh unique was that he didn't make the focus on a place far-away and focused on what the average bande living in UK actually needed, spiritual growth, also even when he did speak about Sikh issues; he always made the focus on what we can actually achieve instead of talking about goals that average Sikh likely can't achieve.

If tomorrow someone wanted to learn about Jesus Christ or Muhammad, they could do so in pretty much every language with people from every ethnic group, but if tomorrow we want to learn about Guru Sahib, our only options are in Punjabi and only recently English, otherwise we just learn "Someone born in Talwandi and who traveled a lot as a good man". 

[dallysingh101]

56 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

but if tomorrow we want to learn about Guru Sahib, our only options are in Punjabi and only recently English, otherwise we just learn "Someone born in Talwandi and who traveled a lot as a good man". 

I think you've hit on the legacy of colonialism there. Bhai Jagraj Singh talked about how xtians retained their divinity status for Jesus, but had us talking about our own Gurus as bards or mere humans who came to teach - another Jedi mind trick through xtian, protestant Singh Sabha 'parchaar'.  

There is big change going on though, we are on some paradigm shift. The problem is that we need some sort of coordination, so our revival movement doesn't become yet another 'interpretation' amongst many in our panth. 

Plus, I'd say most of what came from the post-annexation period on Sikhi (i.e. this new beast called 'Sikhism') is skewed as heck. That just confuses people more than educating them. However better thought out material is being produced, and facilities like the internet allow for stimulating and informative debate and info exchange (at its best). 

That kaur who started this thread sounds like she gets her worldview completely from the internet and social media........phew

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Speaking for real, in modern times our faith is heavily-centric to Punjab and Punjabi issues. There are more talks on Punjab in Punjabi in Gurdwaras than the issues aam bande have wherever they live. If all the people in the Gurdwara are Punjabi, all the talks are in Punjabi, and we are talking about Punjab; why would average Gora or Kalla want to join? What made people like Jugraj Singh unique was that he didn't make the focus on a place far-away and focused on what the average bande living in UK actually needed, spiritual growth, also even when he did speak about Sikh issues; he always made the focus on what we can actually achieve instead of talking about goals that average Sikh likely can't achieve.

If tomorrow someone wanted to learn about Jesus Christ or Muhammad, they could do so in pretty much every language with people from every ethnic group, but if tomorrow we want to learn about Guru Sahib, our only options are in Punjabi and only recently English, otherwise we just learn "Someone born in Talwandi and who traveled a lot as a good man". 

It would be if the majority of the Sangat is from Panjab.

The bulk of the diaspora has moved in the last few decades and it takes time for the diaspora to adapt to their environment. 

 

[Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

It would be if the majority of the Sangat is from Panjab.

The bulk of the diaspora has moved in the last few decades and it takes time for the diaspora to adapt to their environment. 

 

When being a Sikh was a death sentence, Baba Deep Singh Ji wrote a farsi saroop of Dhan Dhan Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and sent it to Iraq which barely had any Sikhs, now we as Punjabis, (which has a lot more Sikhs and Gurdwaras), are making controversy over legitimacy of Dasam Granth and on whether Guru Sahib was Vaheguru or not. We aren't winning, we've already lost until we go back to Sikhi.

[dallysingh101]

7 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If all the people in the Gurdwara are Punjabi, all the talks are in Punjabi, and we are talking about Punjab; why would average Gora or Kalla want to join?

I went through Barking Singh Sabha Gurdwara recently, they had parchaar in English (saw some leaflets). Don't know what it is like in the states, but some Gurdwaras here are getting clued up about these things (even if it took them umpteen decades).  

[redoptics2013]

5 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

When being a Sikh was a death sentence, Baba Deep Singh Ji wrote a farsi saroop of Dhan Dhan Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and sent it to Iraq which barely had any Sikhs, now we as Punjabis, (which has a lot more Sikhs and Gurdwaras), are making controversy over legitimacy of Dasam Granth and on whether Guru Sahib was Vaheguru or not. We aren't winning, we've already lost until we go back to Sikhi.

If you don't sort your own house, you can't help anybody else, if you want to spend time chanting Vaheguru so be it. Vaheguru is the feeling one gets when fully comprehending Guru Ji's message and completely shedding one's ego and becoming  a Gurmukh.

[dallysingh101]

26 minutes ago, redoptics2013 said:

If you don't sort your own house, you can't help anybody else, if you want to spend time chanting Vaheguru so be it. Vaheguru is the feeling one gets when fully comprehending Guru Ji's message and completely shedding one's ego and becoming  a Gurmukh.

Don't go conveniently jettisoning the whole warrior ethos that comes with that in Sikhi bro. 

[californiasardar1]

On 5/4/2023 at 8:54 AM, Kau89r8 said:

So over the years there has been a increase of interest in Islam esp from Conservatives those who reject liberalism woke far-left agendas. Many celebs those who reject West liberalism wokesim etc are converting to Islam

Likes of Andrew Tate praising Islam has made more 'alphas' attracted to islam and now converting to masses

So what happened to Sikhi?! Why have we fail to reach the masses ? Lack of parachar, lack or alphaness no homeland etc? Diluting Sikhi into far-left sjw religion free langars

I remember before the farmers protest years ago on this site that there is something Islam does right which attracts alpha boxersand firm stern in anti-left agenda like lgbtq trans etc i could see what the atracction was..

When we are just known for free food and 'one hooomanity' something has gone wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQXBJyFy-RY

 

 

 

 

 

If you want to better understand why Sikhi is failing to spread, it is important to understand the shortcomings of the people who make up the Sikh community. To understand that, I suggest you take another look at your posts.

First of all, you write as if you are 10 years old. Is it surprising that a community mostly made up of dimwits who somehow reached adulthood without being able to write even semi-coherently does not have much in the way of organization, strength or influence?

Second, you are ignorant and not very well informed about anything. You clearly get most your information from perusing right wing social media. You also have a very simplistic, childish view of things. It's a reflection of many traits that have crippled our community: we tend to be ignorant, gullible, easily influenced, anti-intellectual, and incapable of critical thinking or introspection, incapable of any nuance.

 

I could go on, but a bit of self-reflection might help.

[californiasardar1]

10 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Speaking for real, in modern times our faith is heavily-centric to Punjab and Punjabi issues. There are more talks on Punjab in Punjabi in Gurdwaras than the issues aam bande have wherever they live. If all the people in the Gurdwara are Punjabi, all the talks are in Punjabi, and we are talking about Punjab; why would average Gora or Kalla want to join? What made people like Jugraj Singh unique was that he didn't make the focus on a place far-away and focused on what the average bande living in UK actually needed, spiritual growth, also even when he did speak about Sikh issues; he always made the focus on what we can actually achieve instead of talking about goals that average Sikh likely can't achieve.

If tomorrow someone wanted to learn about Jesus Christ or Muhammad, they could do so in pretty much every language with people from every ethnic group, but if tomorrow we want to learn about Guru Sahib, our only options are in Punjabi and only recently English, otherwise we just learn "Someone born in Talwandi and who traveled a lot as a good man". 

 

This is a good point. To your people "Sikh" and "Punjabi" are more or less synonymous. The inability to expand our horizons beyond Punjab EVEN AFTER WE HAVE BEEN MIGRATING FOR GENERATIONS is disappointing.