Ukraine-Russia crisis

[BhForce]

On 3/11/2022 at 4:38 AM, californiasardar1 said:

Are you aware that at the time of the partition, Sikhs did not form a majority in any geographic region of a substantial size?

So what? Did the Hindus form a majority in Kashmir? The British gave it to Hindu raja Hari Singh.

Did the Muslims for a majority in Hyderabad? The British gave it to the Nizam.

Also, what's the religion of the majority of Bahrainis? (Answer: Shia.) The emir is Sunni.

Bro, think like you're part of this quam, not our adversaries.

[BhForce]

On 3/9/2022 at 5:15 AM, Suchi said:

 

It was only after India placed their Ministers at Borders outside Ukraine that things changed. Why Ministers? Because they have the power to declare a war if Protocol is breached. 

So why didn't any other country do this for their citizens? Such as China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, USA, UK? 

You have not answered the point that if "they" (the students) had their own country, then they wouldn't need India. They would be in touch with their country's embassy.

[Suchi]

31 minutes ago, BhForce said:

You have not answered the point that if "they" (the students) had their own country, then they wouldn't need India. They would be in touch with their country's embassy.

That is mere conjecture and assumption. Otherwise why did both Pakistani and Bangladeshi students rely on India for their evacuation. 

The point being it takes more than just logistics to obtain agreement from foreign nations to get open access to a country, even for evacuation purposes. That needs diplomacy that small nations do not have and cannot afford. 

[Premi5]

 

 

In response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, governments are taking aim at the superwealthy with close ties to Vladimir Putin, hitting them with sanctions, cutting off their access to offshore wealth, seizing their luxury yachts and villas and generally making it difficult to be a filthy rich person.

But in the Opinion Video above, Jonathan Pie, the fictional broadcast journalist played by the comedian Tom Walker, argues that even while the United States and the European Union have come down hard on Russian oligarchs, Britain has taken a gentler approach. This response, he argues, is the result of a dark symbiotic relationship that the country has developed with ill-gotten Russian money.

[BhForce]

On 2/23/2022 at 11:36 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I think Sikhs have fought in enough european conflicts (without any benefit). In times like this we need to consolidate and strengthen ourselves whilst others destroy themselves. 

Agreed.

Following the narrative advanced by some of you that we don't need to overly concern ourselves with what's going on in Ukraine:

Here is Punjabi writer Ajeet Kaur interviewed regarding the 1984 massacre.

What she relates is hair-raising. She's not some hard core Taksali. She's a mellow writer living in Delhi who would meet with Indra Gandhi every 2 weeks.

But she was shocked to the core by what she saw. Among other tales, she says they went around having people deposit their weapons. And then sent the killers to kill.

They destroyed businesses worth crores.

They had lists of Sikhs, and everyone who lived at that house.

They went to taxi stands and destroyed only the taxis of Sikhs.

She sent her driver over the Jamna River to fetch Balvir Singh, the publisher of her magazine. Driver comes back white-faced to say that Balbir Singh and his whole family is dead.

Now, she does say some things I disagree with. Namely, that if Indra were to ask forgiveness, then all would be forgotten. But the important point is that the haughty tyrant wouldn't dream of asking forgiveness.

Because of the actions of the Indian Govt, she is ashamed of the Padma award.
 

[BhForce]

OK, now contrast with the Ukraine situation.

In this invasion, 400-2000 Ukrainians have been killed, according to Ukrainian Govt (who knows, but let's go with that).

Meanwhile, at least 3000 Sikhs killed in Delhi in 1984. Thousands elsewhere, plus who knows how many more later on in Punjab.

And basically not a peep from world governments. No taking over the entirety of a half-hour or hour news show to talk about Sikhs. No marches, no kesri flags on lapel pins. Was the Sikh situation discussed in the UN security council??
 

So that's why we don't really need to bother with this situation.

Wake me up when the world cares a whit about Sikhs dying.
 

[BhForce]

On 3/5/2022 at 12:14 AM, proactive said:

It is actually astounding how much the liberals of the west are quite content with innocent Russians being ostracised. Just imagine if that had happened after 9/11.

After every Islamic bombing, the media are most concerned not with the victims, but with the "Islamophobic backlash against Muslims".

https://abcnews.go.com/US/20-years-911-islamophobia-continues-haunt-muslims/story?id=79732049

I've never seen the media wringing their hands over the "Anti-Sikh backlash" from the Air India bombing or whatever.

[Premi5]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60724111
 

Households in the UK will be offered £350 a month to open their homes to people fleeing the war in Ukraine.

Housing Secretary Michael Gove told the BBC tens of thousands of people could come to the UK under the scheme and he may offer a room to a refugee.

But the Refugee Council is concerned about the level of support for those traumatised by war.

Labour said there were unanswered questions, accusing the government of "dragging its feet" over the crisis.

Under the Homes for Ukraine scheme, people will be able to nominate a named individual or a family to stay with them rent-free, or in another property, for at least six months. A website to express an interest in being a sponsor will launch on Monday.

Mr Gove also told the BBC's Sunday Morning programme the government was looking at using the properties of Russian oligarchs sanctioned by the UK for "humanitarian purposes" but there was "quite a high legal bar" and this measure would lapse as sanctions ended.

Retailers Sainsbury's, Marks & Spencer and Morrisons are among the UK companies offering to employ Ukrainian refugees.

[proactive]

10 hours ago, Premi5 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-60724111
 

Households in the UK will be offered £350 a month to open their homes to people fleeing the war in Ukraine.

Housing Secretary Michael Gove told the BBC tens of thousands of people could come to the UK under the scheme and he may offer a room to a refugee.

But the Refugee Council is concerned about the level of support for those traumatised by war.

Labour said there were unanswered questions, accusing the government of "dragging its feet" over the crisis.

Under the Homes for Ukraine scheme, people will be able to nominate a named individual or a family to stay with them rent-free, or in another property, for at least six months. A website to express an interest in being a sponsor will launch on Monday.

Mr Gove also told the BBC's Sunday Morning programme the government was looking at using the properties of Russian oligarchs sanctioned by the UK for "humanitarian purposes" but there was "quite a high legal bar" and this measure would lapse as sanctions ended.

Retailers Sainsbury's, Marks & Spencer and Morrisons are among the UK companies offering to employ Ukrainian refugees.

Only the rich virtue signallers will take up this offer. Wait for the backlash from the chavy goray once they find out that the  refugees are living in large properties without having to worry about their energy bills. 

[MisterrSingh]