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I love you Watch the movie chaar sahibzaade, read jeevan of sants, and shaheeds. Channel the emotion towards how special opportunity you got. You got a chance at Sikhi only because countless died for it. Remember them, pray for strength like they had The only reason you fall is because you’re trying in the first place. It’s never too late. Test of faith can be brutal but love for Guru Ji carries you through Review what people to keep in your life and those to remove. Do seva of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and his sangat. Beg Guru Sahib Ji to let you taste the anand of his charan.

Try harder. It's a waste of time and emotional effort. Learn a practical skill that you normally pay another person to do (home repair / maintenance, etc) or a martial art to aid fitness. Or just read something. I was a little more than an average gamer but not quite hardcore. I was in my late 20s, mindlessly bashing buttons one day. Opposite from where I was sitting was a mirror. I saw myself, a grown man, playing a video game, and it hit me like a ton of bricks; a tide of overwhelming shame washed over me. "You soft b*****d" I said to myself. Next day I sold my consoles and all my games. One of the best things I ever did. I feel the same about spectator sports such as football. I was heavily into football. I was a proper statistician. I could've told you the teams and squads up to the reserve team of every club in the domestic European leagues. That's hundreds of players! Knocked that 5hit on the head in my early 20s, too. Bread and circuses bukwaas. They get you to invest your heart and soul into this 5hit so that you ignore or neglect the actual important stuff you need to be aware of. Moderation isn't the issue at all. It's all corporate cr4p that chips away at your aatma.

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This is just my take on this There's an increasing number of Panjabis in western countries learning Bhangra professionally, making Bhangra societies in universities and holding grand Bhangra competitions. Although Bhangra is a hybrid dance done by males with modern hip-hop moves, women are also seen in these competitions & performances. Some parents in the west are encouraging their children to learn Bhangra from these academies. The reason they give for joining is Bhangra connects them with Panjabi culture and they feel "proud" seeing their children on stage. I don't think Bhangra is helping any western Panjabi stay connected with Panjabi culture. Dancing like this on public stages was frowned by most Panjabi elders. It's sad to see Panjabi culture has been reduced down to jumping on stage. The bright crazy patterned uniform Bhangra dancers wear also looks very silly, no Panjabi in the past dressed like that. I've met some Bhangra-doing Panjabis in the west who can't read Panjabi, speak it properly or know anything about Panjab's situation and history. I don't know why so many Panjabi parents hold this misconception that putting children in Bhangra will connect them with culture and turn them into the next Vir Singh or Bulleh Shah.

Come on man, these are 13 year old girls. You have no clue at all at that age about the world and its dangers. You are a child at this age. This is paedophilia plain and simple. You can't blame the victims in cases like this. And the 50 year old perverts knew what they were doing was wrong.

Apne will still serve Langar to suls in Kashmir, Dubai and Delhi like a bunch of simpletons. It's like the kid in school who gives away free sweets so that all the other kids like him and more importantly don't beat him up. Pathetic really.

<< The Amritvela Challenge >> Dear everybody, welcome to the Amritvela Challenge. There is so much suffering in the world. To alleviate this, the source of life, the universe and creation, manifested themselves in the form of our Guru's to show the world a path to eternal peace and freedom that lies within each of us. To walk this path, our Guru's instructed us to rise in the golden hours of the morning and seek connection to that source through remembrance and bhagti (devotion). Through connection our pains will be lifted and we'll become truly strong. However, our mind's have been improsined by the forces of Maya, an entity which has mastered the power of illusion to imprison the mind's of all beings in the world. These forces will do their best to block us from connecting to the source as connection will free us completely from their rule. Maya will send its great warriors after us who we'll need to be ready to face. I invite everybody to join in on this journey, the path is open to all. Let's walk on this path together so that our chances of success are higher. Rules: 1. Getup everyday at amrtivela and try to connect with the source through simran, nitnetm, meditation etc.. Amritvela let's say is before 6am, so you should be starting your routine by 6 am. Try to pick one time that you can be consistent with and stick to it. If you can't get up at the time you pick, maybe get up later then over time getup a little earlier. 2. Post your streak daily, so that we can all keep each other accountable and uplift/motivate each other as a sangat. 3. If you miss one day, reset the streak to 0 and start again (don't feel guilty or beat yourself up, aim to improve more for next time). 4. Optional rule - Add the challenge to your profile signature. To do so, login and go to the top right corner and click your profile name and go under account settings and you should see the signature tab. Once there, you can Copy/Paste "(insert current streak here) IN THE AMRITVELA CHALLENGE" Notes: Let me know if there's anything you'd like to change about this challenge now or in the future. I made this so that we can actually support each other in getting up at amrtivela and make that a lifetime routine. This is a foundational routine that will totally change our lives for the better if we could be consistent enough. Not only would our spiritual lives change, but it would also transform your worldly life as a side effect. Imagine if you worked out after your routine then had a good breakfast, you would be fully charged for your day spiritually and physically. Then you could would be able to be very productive for the rest of the day and get a lot done and you'd build this positive cycle to compound your growth over time. This is probably the hardest habit to build but also the most rewarding. An idea I was thinking of was we could add ranks to be milestones for how many days you went as a fun incentive to keep going. So like 10 days could be a rank, then 20, 30, 60, 90 etc. I didn't know what to actually make the rank titles or descriptions. If you guys have ideas for that let me know.

As requested, my story in detail: So as I mentioned, during my younger years my mum had me involved in the gurdwara and I would probably go atleast once a week if not more. All the usual gurdwara trips and gurmukh camps used to be part of my normal life. I would play football with the lads from the gurdwara and would be active in social events. I am mona and whilst I reflect back and wish I had stuck with that crowd, I realise there was a part of me that felt like I didnt fit in (because I was mona). I naturally started hanging around with a different crowd which was all good at the time but I now realise that being around these people instilled some horrible traits within myself. We were very judgemental and got kicks from making fun out of others. I should probably also mention that my knowledge on sikhi was limited. I spent alot of time at the gurdwara but with no real understanding or connection to waheguru. We all came from similar households i.e. religious mothers / grandmothers but dads who drank heavily and as we grew in to our teens, drinking became natural. My first drink was with my dad. I then hit the age of 18 where I was at college. I was able to drink legally but I also started smoking weed. At the time, it was all about image. It was all about fitting in and what people perceived of me. I wanted to be seen as somebody tough to avoid being bullied (was bullied at a younger age). I managed to get through college and enrolled on to university where the weed addiction escalated. I had drifted away from the gurdwara and sikhi. A normal day for me was waking up at 11am, eat, work at my part time job and then evenings i would spend the money I had earned to smoke 3-4 spliffs and repeat again the next day. At this point in my life, something happened within our household which just made me spiritually sick for many years. A member of my family was groomed by muslims and everything around me fell apart. The dynamics in my family changed, relationships changed, we were receiving threats from muslims - I lost complete faith in everything and I lost all trust in everyone. This experience amplified my use of drinks and drugs. When I reached my last exam at uni, things had got so bad at home that I didnt want to go to my graduation and I had to get away from the city I live in. As an escape, I went to stay with my mama for 6 weeks in the US. The first day I got there I just cried. Running away from my problems had not worked. However, I believe that trip was meant to happen as it brought me back to Sikhi. My mama is a gursikh and wears a dastaar and he showed me how powerful waheguru could be. He taught me values that I still live on with today and it was from there that I started to read in to sikhi again. I came back from the US and surprise surprise nothing had changed by me running away. My mama sent me home with a gutka sahib with english translation and one day I was so broken inside that I sat down and did paath looking for answers. It was an amazing experience. Everything that I had carried around for years felt like it had been lifted. I remember feeling a sensation inside of me which the only way I can describe it as is a light. I was beaming and felt like I had been lifted somewhere. I started working to get by, but there was a complete lack of motivation as I still felt resentful about the hand I had been dealt. The money that I earned was spent on going out, buying bottles in clubs, drugs, women, stag dos and so on. I was still very conscious about my image as by now many people were aware of the problems at home so I felt I still had to show face and show that I was ready to battle with anyone who wanted it. I would fight alot and in a weird way get a kick out of it. As this lifestyle continued, I was introduced to cocaine. My reputation had grown with fighting and we were known as the go to people when you had trouble. Cocaine was something that only the 'top' lads used back then as its expensive and was not used like it is today. By this time, the people I had surrounded myself with were all dealers / club owners / 'rough' lads. Cocaine was so easily available to me and it quickly became a habit that grew on all of us. At first, it was just for fun, every now and again. It soon got to a point where it became a necessity after a drink. A typical night in the pub would be a few pints and countless bags of cocaine. We were doing this almost on a daily basis - thinking we were the top lads - LOL! makes me laugh now because its so far from what I believe a toplad is now. I can honestly say after a few years of living my life like this, this addiction brought me down on my knees. I had lost complete power and control over my drinking and using. I knew it, but I didnt know how to stop it. I would complete sober periods for maybe 1 or 2 months at maximum but it would never last. It was during this phase of my life that I started searching for help. I joined sikhsangat to see if there was people out there who were going through similar situations in our community. Through sikhsangat, my attention refocused on sikhi. I started watching a lot of basics of sikhi videos which really helped but they alone could not keep me sober. i was able to stay sober for longer but would always end up back on here feeling suicidal and looking for someone else to fix me. I eventually lost myself again and stopped using this site. I spent many years searching for answers and stuck in this cycle. I was up to my eyes in debt, and I was dead inside. I wanted the cycle to end and thought the only way would be to end my own life. I couldnt live with this powerlessness. I couldnt live with being such a disappointment and hurting everyone around me. Then one morning after a heavy night on drink and drugs, I had rang in sick to work (this was normal for me). I had enough. I searched for help online and found myself on the alcoholics anonymous page. I was so ashamed of reaching out to them that when they rang me back I ignored their calls and luckily they persisted and rang back the next day. This is where my journey to recovery started. Im not on here to preach about Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) but my story is that this programme worked for me. There is one thing that I think has been my saviour in all of this. In AA, they say that you need to have a higher power of your own understanding - for me, this was waheguru. Everyday I would do mool mantar in the morning, meditate , do a gratitude and inventory list (as the programme advises). I truly believe that without me bowing down to waheguru in the morning and handing myself over to waheguru, I would not be here today. Today, my life is completely different. I am married and have a loving and caring wife, I have relationships with people around me that addiction had taken away from me, I am spiritually connected to waheguru, I have cleared all my financial debts and I have a successful job and career which I excel in. These are all things that in addiction, I never believed I could have. With wahegurus kirpa, everything I wished for came true. I hope this helps someone out there. I am here to help others suffering now with wahegurus backing. Message me anytime

It is not non-Muslim countries that actively invite Muslims in, it is the liberals in these countries that emotionally backmail the rest of the population into allowing Muslim migration in and shout 'racist!' if there is any voice which wants to restrict their migration into non-Muslims countries. In Punjab it is the same, it is liberal organisations that started the trend to build Mosques for them and started the propaganda that they are 'beecharay' Countries that have voted in right wing governments understand the danger of Muslim migrations, countries such as Hungary, Poland and Serbia. Countries with Muslim populations already have tried various methods such as expulsion like Myanmar and De-Islamification like China has. It would be interesting to see how the first group of countries fare in the next few decades compared to the second group.

The fact that you can equate these two sells outs with Deep Sidhu shows that you have have a very superficial understanding of this issue. That in itself in this day and age when information is available at the click of a button is criminal in my view.

There is a misconception here among some apne that only Mirpuris are carrying out grooming activities in the UK. The reality is some of you are naive. Many grooming gangs have been Pakistani Punjabis, and even Bangladeshis and Afghans. The partition violence, genocide and mass rapes were initiated and committed by Punjabi Muslims against Sikhs. The forced conversion of Sikh girls in Pakistan is carried out by Punjabi Muslims. Pakistani Punjabis are themselves no better than Mirpuris but scapegoat Mirpuris for everything wrong in their own communities. Many of the groomers have been Pakistani Punjabis yet some of you act like Pakistani Punjabis are culturally akin to Sikhs just because some Sikhs happen to speak in the same dialect of Punjabi as some Pakistanis. The ringleader of the Rochdale grooming gangs was a Pakistani Punjabi from Gujrat confirmed here. This gang was the most perverted of all grooming gangs and it was run by Pakistani Punjabis: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rochdale-grooming-gang-deportation-rights-10903124 Another Pakistani Punjabi extradited from Faisalabad. He is another pedo from Rochdale jailed for raping kids: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7942011/Child-rapist-fled-UK-Pakistan-begins-19-year-jail-term-extradited.html The grooming gangs in Oxford were Pakistani Punjabis (most Pakistanis there are Punjabis). You see names used by central Punjabi Jatt tribes such as "Virk" and "Dogar" : https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/may/14/oxford-gang-guilty-grooming-girls https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2844528/Taxi-driver-three-friends-sentenced-total-68-years-gang-rape-drunk-woman-passenger.html Pakistani Punjabis have endless videos on tiktok mocking Sikh victims of grooming gangs just look at this page: tiktok.com/@datpakistanipunjabi

Although people accept the Shahmukhi script as a valid script for Punjabi, there are number of Punjabi words which can be misread if they are written in Shahmukhi script rather than Gurmukhi. We need to stop catering to their whims and insist that Gurmukhi is the only script for Punjabi. One thing that I have noticed is how Pakistanis misspell Sikh names as well as other words associated with Sikhi. I think it is intentional, a way to show that these are unimportant.

Don't think it's related to badals veerji. In my previous posts and in posts by other Sangat members a few years ago, they mentioned about how Khalsa Raj is in our lifetime. Many people like to dismiss this unfortunately and have no faith in Bachans of Mahapurakhs. What They tell us is just the end result. Khalsa Raj is going to happen in our lifetime, but when many people hear this they think we are referring to it happening magically without any work. All the events that are happening now are towards preparation of Khalsa Raj and all of these are in Vaheguru ji's khel. Bad times will be for those who do tyranny Bhul Chuk Maf ji Vaheguru ji ka khalsa Vaheguru ji ki fateh ji

So I've been lurking on the forum as a guest for a few weeks and I am absolutely appalled by the response of the far left to this issue. I was actually meaning on starting a similar thread on this topic and still probably will as I have so much to show and say. It's mindsets like SinghPunjabSingh that are actually a part of the problem. The racism from said community is much much more widespread than he thinks as this is happening in the UK too and is not at all limited to a handful of crackheads as suggested. No, this does not mean we should start 'hating' the community (I have to say this because brainwashed people will see this and think it means I am saying it is an excuse to hate them), but it 110 per cent needs to be called out!!! We should be able to call it out without being shamed. You have black drill artists in the UK using 'Paki' in their songs now too which is basically the N word for Asians. You have many racial attacks on Asians from Blacks in the UK let alone the USA (on East Asians and South Asians alike). But as I said, I am working on presenting how bad the issue is and why it is how it is so I am going to be starting a new thread in the coming week or so.

I think you need to step back and put your ego in check @shastarSingh. Referring to Baba Nand Singh Ji with such little respect isn't in your interest. These Mahapursh have contributed to Sikhi in ways we can't put a number to. Inspiring people to follow Sikhi in a genuine way and igniting the joy of bhagati is not an easy task. You can lump all intellectuals gyanis and parcharks on one side and they can never inspire the way a mahapursh Sant mahatma can. Don't take this the wrong way, we need all the intellectuals we can get, but their domain is never going to extend into the realms of these rarest of the rare type mahapurshs. You need approach these panthic matters with more grace. There is a way of offering constructive criticism without insulting. You need to refine these skills before speaking beyond your scope. Also, current Nanaksar as an institution is a complex matter, and also separate from Baba Nand Singh Ji.

Indian origin faiths don't have the cunningness, hatred and aggression to deal with Abrahamic faith's especially Islam. Malaysia and Indonesia were once Hindu/Buddhists and now they are overwhelmingly Muslim. Islam wants to conquer, they see secularism as a weakness to expose and when Muslims become a majority they impose sharia which forbids the populace from leaving Islam. So it's a one way win win situation for them. You can never have a Liberal attitude towards them or it will come back to bite you.

It was the lived experience of millions of Sikhs. I would venture that Arjan Singh was a more articulate, sophisticated and adventurous person than someone like you who gets triggered at any mention of Sikhs in the army in WW1 or WW2. Whatever your views about him, he deserves to be honoured as do all those Sikhs who left Punjab to fight in both world wars. Another 'illiterate pendu' I found apparently this 'pendu' went on earn a PhD and fought the racist citizenship policies of the USA.

These kinds of petitions don't work. If we had more unity, then all the Gurdwaras should declare her persona non grata. They should declare that they will not engage with any ministers or any conservative MPs or candidates unless Priti Patel is sacked. That would be much for effective than a petition. Priti Patel is a joke, she has been a total failure on the migrants coming on boats from France.

Pakistanis in the USA are simply in far fewer numbers than the UK. White Americans are probably less likely to take any nonsense from them as well, most of them have guns. Even if more Mirpuris are involved than Pakjabis, both Mirpuris and Pakjabis hang out at school and are likely to influence each other. I cannot emphasise this enough - Islam comes before any silly concept of Punjabayat, which only laloo Sikhs believe in.

Punjab has a very old history. What we are taught in school about hindu and Hinduism is mostly lies. Punjab was part of the indus civilization and today we are in clash with the ganges civilization. We are taught a history that doesnt even belong to us. Punjab has a very old history starting from ancient persia. The punjabi language is very old and has evolved since then. The people of the ganges hate the indus civilization and are hell bent on destroying the punjabi language in both east and west punjab. In their hatred of sikhs these west punjabi adopted a language called urdu which is the language of the ganges plain from which hindi was made for the hindus.Brainwashed people giving up their language and culture.

Day 0 today, starting tomorrow, aim is to wake up consistently at 4 am.

By the same logic pocs should be beating goras left and right for all the &lt;banned word filter activated&gt; they have done around the world. They have committed so many crimes on a large scale against people of color but act like they are defenders of morals. What a joke. Thats why every sikh needs to learn martial arts and show these people their place. When all we do is act like victims on social media they think we are weak. Throw a few punches back and show them their place.

Lmao, bull5hit. Again, what's the definition of "pray" and how is it enacted? What exactly are they praying for, btw? This is like when people were polled about who they'd vote for between Trump and Hillary. People overwhelmingly asserted for Hillary... then the results came in and Trump won, which means the polled folks didn't reveal their true thoughts / intentions. ? There's a specific term for this phenomena that I can't remember at this time. You get someone confront you with a clipboard about your religious habits, and unless you completely DGAF you're going to embellish your answers, particularly in a society like India that still likes to convey a false sense of spiritual propriety. Plus, Indian Sikhs are some of the most brazen liars and frauds on this planet. I wouldn't use an Indian survey as toilet paper.

Focus on the road instead of the people.

I was 9 when my immediate family member passed away. That’s how the spiritual urge started. Might share more another time.. anyway a few points; - when do happy people remember god? People only remember god in pain - religion is a game, spirituality is something completely different. If your third eye opens you’re in for a big shock. Many religious folk who are famous/respected wear bana are on complete zero within. - 1st stage of bhram gyan is called sub icha (genuine desire of enlightenment arises). Pain is the only thing which finally pushes a person hard enough towards searching inwards. - best thing you can do for a departed soul is akhand path as per marayda then fold your hands in front of sggs ji. Transfer the worry to guru Sahib completely, then carry on with this life. Time heals wounds, scars remain. Your time to leave will come one day too. Next best thing is you reaching sachkhand yourself (your avastha reaching there via simran) people close to you automatically get liberated - ever wanted to see your previous life? Losing someone effects you so badly, but we all lost people in previous lives too. If you start remembering losing loved ones from previous lives you wouldn’t be able to endure the pain it would drive you mad. (Don’t set desire on seeing previous lives), those who see it through simran only see glimpses anyway.

bhai preetam singh jee chani .They did akaal chlaana last year only.

people have become used to comfort in first world countries. The smallest inconvenience happens and they act like the world is ending. Imagine how these people will act when something big actually happens? These people have forgotten nothing is permanent.

Muslims are projected to grow in numbers. Not due to conversions but due to their high birth rates. Many people don't realise is that Muslim population would actually only be half today. If it were not to their high fertility rate. Many are simply outbreeding everyone else. It's not to do with people converting as many people assume. Other religions are not having as many kids and are decreasing. Europe is facing big issues. People are just not having enough children if any at all. Let's face reality guys. We are going to be living in a Muslim world. From Africa, to Asia to the middle east. The only people I know are trying to do something. Are 'stop Islam in Europe movement'. Other then that no one can do anything as they will be deemed islamaphobic.

The religion that breeds extremism is defended and protected from being labelled as such by a certain brand of SIKH, but Sikhs advocating for self-interests are labelled as budding... terrorists and extremists by SIKHS. This is some paagal world going on here. Our paggs are too tight and Fixo has hardened our beards, making our faces stiff, constricting the oxygen to our brains, because I can't think of anything else to explain this nonsense.

Because that's what other US Sikhs have reported. It's not hard to look through first-hand accounts. One of the Sikh elderly who got attacked described his attacker as 'kaala' and OFC some retarded liberal Sikh got upset LMAO. He said we shouldn't call them kaala. Like LMAO our elderly man just got brutally attacked and that's what you're concerned about. BLM is cancer. This whole 'minority unison' is CANCER. If black people ever got in charge, as we see in South Africa, they will attack and isolate minorities. Whites and Indians are heavily scared of black people in South Africa.

The facts are the following pertaining to these particular incidents: 1. Sikh elders have been attacked by black criminals. 2. We, as a community, have a right to describe the racial and ethnic background of the attackers. We'd do it if was Muslims, Mexicans, Whites, whatever. Everything else is f****g fantasy, American-Marxist bull5hit. For "Sikh" organisations to GASLIGHT Sikhs in an insidious attempt at extreme political correctness that places us under threat of further harm is f****g EVIL. Anyone who tries to "Marxplain" and "Whatabout" their way out of confronting the reality of this problem is not a friend of Sikhs.

I'm not surprised. They are brain washed heavily from birth, their moderates are like extremists from other religions. And their extremists are on a other level entirely. In India we did our part by eliminating them from Punjab. The Hindus messed up big time by letting so many to stay behind.

When we look at the reduced muslim birth rate after education, we are looking at 6 children to 3 or 4 children. When our parents had siblings, they were big families with 5-6 brothers and sisters. But they decided to have 2-3 children and that is without being educated. The next generation after that with education have 1-2 children. What does this tell you? Muslim religion is more collectivist in that group think is more important. The educated Muslim female will do what is for the greater good of their deen and their ummah. Us Sikhs are more individualist than Muslims, our educated Sikh women will not do the same for our quam.

Bro you make your own luck in life. I understand that with you living in a trailer park in Modoc County it's hard for you to ever go to the Gurdwara but try to expand your horizons. Go to the Gurdwareh in the the Central valley as often as you can and try to run into more of the 100,000 plus strong Sikh population in Cali. Try not to pre-define women as non-Sikh just because they visit a beautician every now and then. If you don't like the Cali girls make a few trips to Vancouver and Seattle. If you don't like girls from the West Coast then keep an open mind for those from Toronto and NY/NJ. And if Diaspora born girls aren't to your liking then consider making six monthly journeys to Punjab. Believe in yourself as a human being and a Sikh. The Gurkha's might be small and they might struggle to put on muscle mass but one of them can easily pump lead into 20 taller Pathans on the battlefield. Make the best of what God has blessed you with. Two eyes, two arms and two legs are better than many others in a worse position in life. Be thankful for what you have, don't judge women too much and you will be fine and you will get married this year I (Bichola Singh) guarantee it! This! This! Most guys will get rejected on online dating. Does that mean you cannot find one wife out of millions of fish in the sea. In the States there are plenty of Gujarati women too who have married Sikhs via Anand Karaj and are proud to be raising their children as Sikhs armed with the knowledge that one of the Panj Piare (Bhai Mokham Singh Ji) was Gujarati. Don't give up on life and don't give up on believing in yourself. You are an intelligent guy. Kudos that you did not cut your kes just to find a wife and I will DM you with options in Cali provided you commit yourself to helping others in your same situation in the future once you are married. That is setting one self up for self-prophesised failure brother. Snap out of this self-pity please. Even all the people who have been enraged by your posts recently care about you as a brother. Don't believe the hype! And so what if you luck out with a gold-digger due to a lack of due diligence then even that experience (what doesn't kill you makes you stronger) will only strengthen your mindset further in life overall in the bigger picture but that's a 5-10% worst case possibility at most and at least you would have tried. Don't just focus on external beauty but try to look at inner characteristics a bit more if you can. Who cares if a few gold-diggers need you to own a ranch in Orange County!? Look for what you want and care about and try and find that instead. These are dangerous stereotypes about Amritdhari's which I strongly disgree with. Whilst that may be true in the circles you mix with but I can assure there are plenty of physically strong "Rehitdhari's" with children unless you are specifically referring to those circles where being unmarried is somehow regarded as "cool" because their God-in-human-flesh-Baba did that! But yes all Sikhs need to be tyaar bar tyaar physically and psychologically if our Qaum is to reach a greater percentage of its inherent and unlimited potential.

Thank you for rationalising and explaining in a far better way Daily's view than possibly he could have done and especially without the use of the derogatory 'pendu' and 'illiterate' pejoratives. Trying to judge the actions of those especially those separated from us by by over a 100 years without understanding the factors at play in the lives of those people is not very fair. This is especially true of Daily as he has virtually no understanding of rural Punjab even today when he could easily get on an aeroplane and go there is under 9 hours so expecting him to understand rural Punjab of 100 years ago would be a big stretch. Let's accept Daily's characterisation of those Sikhs of 100 years ago as 'pendus' 'illiterate' and even 'slaves' as he never tires of describing them. Let's instead look at your own people, the Irish. One could excuse the 200,000 Irish men and women who fought in the first world war for the British as enslaved people forced by their circumstances to join and fight in the army of their colonial masters. But what would then explain the over 70,000 Irish men and women from the Irish republic who fought for the British in WW2? This far surpassed the 35,000 volunteers from 'loyalist' Northern Ireland. While Punjab during both world wars was under British colonial control, the Irish republic was free from the 1920s so why would the Irish fight for their former colonial masters especially as there was an Irish army available for them to join or even opportunities to migrate to America or Canada at that time if the main reason for joining the British army was just economic reasons. Similar to the way that these Sikhs joined the army in the first and second world wars, these youths had a sense of adventure, they wanted to see the world, they wanted to improve the economic circumstances of their families. The difference between the Irish and Sikhs was that while the Irish were never a minority in Ireland, the Sikhs were a small minority in Punjab and as such they had to compete with the two other communities i for government jobs and allocation of educational institutions in their areas. As a small minority the Sikhs had to punch above their weight otherwise they would be subsumed by the other two communities. Part of the punching above their weight had to do with providing recruits in number far greater than their population warranted.

OK, now contrast with the Ukraine situation. In this invasion, 400-2000 Ukrainians have been killed, according to Ukrainian Govt (who knows, but let's go with that). Meanwhile, at least 3000 Sikhs killed in Delhi in 1984. Thousands elsewhere, plus who knows how many more later on in Punjab. And basically not a peep from world governments. No taking over the entirety of a half-hour or hour news show to talk about Sikhs. No marches, no kesri flags on lapel pins. Was the Sikh situation discussed in the UN security council?? So that's why we don't really need to bother with this situation. Wake me up when the world cares a whit about Sikhs dying.

Of those Sikhs in the Punjab Vidhan Sabha we have a higher calibre of Panthic type Sikhs than the fakes like the Badals, Majithias, Captains and others. Now no Hindu Har.amzada can say that we Sikhs voted Congress into power in Punjab when it was them that committed genocide on us even though Captain won 2017 on majority Hindu votes and the Sikh vote was split between Akalis and AAP and only a minority of Sikhs voted for Congress.

It's always the case that our people have a few bad experiences and they shout it out from the rooftops as if their experiences represent the norm. We will accept all sorts of rubbish from non-Sikhs and not complain but when one of ours does anything wrong we go hyper. Also be careful of so-called 'experiences' many non-Sikhs are not averse to pretending to be Sikhs to badmouth Sikh institutions. Interesting how the OP asks about anyone who went to Baru Sahib as if he wants to know of any experiences and yet the title already has the leading title 'bad experiences'

The problem is some of our people think that reading paath is all there is to Sikhism. It's not! We'd been instructed from the time of Guru Angad Dev Ji to be fit, and from Guru Hargobind Ji to do martial arts training. Why are we so dense?

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I also remember having an Egyptian colleague at university in the mid 2000s who would always talk badly about Pakistanis to me. Saying that Pakistanis are ruining the name of Muslims with their extremism and terrorism. Lo and behold the same extremism and terrorism became rampant in Egypt with church bombings etc. There really is not much difference between them.

I couldn't care less if a sul is from Mirpur, Lahore, Karachi, Dhaka, Kabul, Delhi, Algiers, Casablanca. A sul is still a sul. They all exhibit similar behaviour and have little respect for those from other faiths. So much arrogance. This thread reminds me of when some Hindus and Sikh people have said to me that Indian Muslims are better than Pakistanis. I simply tell them that the only difference is that they are a minority in India and they cannot do much with their numbers. I then tell them to look at how Indian Muslims behave when they do become a majority in an area - Kashmir. All minorities are thrown out or harassed.

if punjab sikhs make demands for punjabi language, better water supply and anti alcohol drugs rape programmes, then punjabi wolves type dont need water, mother tongue is hindi, are pro alcohol/drug abuse and blind to rape

Funniest thing is how they love to be associated with arabs and Turks while those groups literally despise Pakistanis. And there are alot of apne too who do similar things on reddit and claim how they look persian Arab or south European. So pathetic.

when the delhi bus case happened every one in was in shock but will they care for this? Singhs should visit this locality and show this dindus what happens when u touch our sisters.. the response these ppl gave wen indira died needs to paid back 10x worse

Maybe keep it? At least some apneean might learn that what brothers are saying about how sullay perceive them isn't a lie.

Moga, Jagraon and the areas west including Zira and south to Bathinda and Mansa were all a part of the Lakhi jungle where the Khalsa Dal would retire to recoup and unite their forces for the next attack on the Mughals and Afghans. Malwa has a different experience of Mughal persecution. Apart from along the GT road where the govt was strong, in the rural areas the influence of the govt only extended through Muslim chaudharis such as the Manj Rajputs who had villages along the GT road as well as Pathan, Dogar and Gujjar Muslim villages which existed in regular intervals between Jat villages. The Malwa never saw the persecution that the Sikhs of Majha and Doaba faced in which many Sikhs were killed in large numbers by both the Mughal Subedars and the Muslim peasants who would hunt for Sikhs in the areas where Sikhs were sheltering. At one stage the Majha and some areas of Doaba adjacent to it were emptied of Sikhs. The Malwa experience was different because half of the Malwa was under Sikh Chaudhris who had come into Sikhi during Guru Hargobind's parchar tour of Malwa as well as Guru Gobind Singh's stay in Malwa after leaving Anandpur Sahib. These Chaudhris went on to become the states of Patiala, Jind, Nabha and Faridkot. Sikhi grew exponentially in Malwa because unlike Majha and Doaba, it enjoyed a sustained period of relative peace. Malwa also retained the old Chaudhris who were a part of the old order while in Majha and Doaba because these Chaudhris had taken part in the persecution, they were overthrown and new leaders from among the common population came forward to become Misldars. Incidentally Malwa never had a Misl or even Misldars although sometimes the Phulkian chaudhris who became the Malwa Sikh states are included as a Misl they do not meet the definition of what a Misl was. The Majha and a few Doaba areas produced Misldars many of whom set up their own rule in areas of Malwa bordering Lakhi Jungle, the area they knew well due to sheltering there during the Mughal persecution as well as along the GT road towards Delhi. These non-Malwai kingdoms such as Kaithal, Kalsia, Ladwa, Rupar and Buria either lapsed after the failure of a male heir to the British rule or were annexed after the Anglo-Sikh wars. Only Kalsia state survived into 1948 when it became a part of the Patiala and East Punjab states union. Although the Malwa rulers supported the British in the Anglo-Sikh wars, the general Sikh population was on the side of the Lahore Durbar. Many Sikhs especially in the British ruled areas of Malwa like Ludhiana and Ferozpur had historically crossed the Satluj to join the Khalsa army. The famous general Dhanna Singh Malwai was one such person. After his death the Patiala ruler attempted to take over the jagir that Maharaja Ranjit Singh had bestowed him for his service which was resisted by the Lahore Durbar. During the battles along the Satluj while the Muslim villagers supported the British, the Sikh villagers would attack British army stragglers passing through their areas.

Come on guys lets not derail this important thread.There are many other threads dealing with that subject and you can carry on there if it's really necessary.Just because Niddar Singh is affiliated with the RSS it doesn't mean everything he does has an RSS agenda angle.Most probably he is familiar with this issue and is supporting as a person because he believes in the allegations as do so many others currently. Focus on the victims and what they are saying.It's not easy for them to come out like this in public especially for males.The least we can do is to not start wild conspiracy theories of hidden hands and agendas involved in this issue.

The Uncle Toms in our community (more so the apparently smart, younger generation) have fallen for this hook, line, and sinker. It's like a Diet Sikhi version of the faith that's being peddled; a watered-down interpretation that's filtered exclusively through Western thought. Why are our bhandars doing the other side's work for them when they should be rallying against it? Is it really so basic as throwing out centuries of quite nuanced and considerate tradition for something that's less of a hassle to digest and follow, regardless of whether it's rooted in any genuine precedence? We're a cheap, shallow people, and it disgusts me. Bunch of mugs.