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  1. 14 points
    Not acknowledging Sehajdharis as Sikhs would do more harm than good. We're gonna lose demographics just because of pointless discrimination. There are lots of monas who have immense respect for Guru Granth Sahib, more than many amritdharis.
  2. 13 points
    The Path to a Sikh Renaissance I feel that we are in a dire need of a Sikh Renaissance, where Sikhs will be able to contribute to the world at their zenith. I believe we were heading to that point during Maharaja Ranjit's time but it dwindled from there on. I think that we as a community need a re-emergence, and realizing it and bringing it into reality should be our main and only priority for now. Hearing and seeing the Sikh youth in Punjab being gripped by drugs, and in certain parts of the Western world becoming unmotivated, and failing in life is disheartening to see. I think through the following steps, we can emerge as a powerful force, however it will take extreme strife. Here is what I think is needed: Sikhs need to spiritually reconnect with Sikhi Become entrepreneurial by creating new industries or by taking control of existing ones, as a means of gaining great economic resource which can then be channeled to the Sikh cause, think Bill Gates & Mark Zuckerberg type of entrepreneurial success and economic gain Put the Khalistan movement on the back burner for now, as it is only damaging and polarizing the community, and instead build ourselves up to a formidable level where we have a respected global image and can command power; and then bring back the movement through calculated ways and not martyrdom Refocus on being a Sikh, and not a Sikh-Hindu, and pledge allegiance to the Sikh cause by being a united community - agreeing on our future goals, this can only be done by having more parchariks like Jugraj Singh, and supporting them through economic resources which in itself can only be provided by entrepreneurial Sikhs mentioned in my second bullet point Having to set milestones and future goals such as Sikhs winning Nobel Prizes, Oscars, Pulitzer Prizes and etc. Encouragement for meaningful learning and education ( this is the need of the moment, why is it that most of the Sikh youth hates pursuing education, especially Sikhs from Punjab?); we need more Sikhs aiming for the Rhodes Scholarship Branch out into more reputable fields/industries - i.e. Science, Engineering, Medicine, Politics, Academia, Arts/Media, Technology, Business (this honestly is the crux of the Renaissance and I can see some of it already taking place in the Western world); I say this because most Sikhs join the Indian Army and most go for soldier as an occupation, but we need to step back and stop putting our lives on the line and instead need to focus on educating and securing our community through personal development Evolve and be more open - accept Sehajdari, Mona Sikhs, 3HO Sikhs, Sikh sects as a part of the community, the more the merrier, however gradually, with love, help them correct their ways Immigrate from Punjab to the Western world (however through legal means and with the intent of gaining meaningful education, i.e. studying at esteemed institutions in America/England/Canada and not some merit-less community colleges, and gaining reputable jobs), as this will allow Sikhs more global exposure and opportunity Increase our numbers through procreating more children or adopting children and raising them into the Sikh faith, and marrying out (i.e. bring spouses from other faiths/ethnicities into the Sikh fold through reason and willingness, not force like love jihad) Be clear in our focus, respect other communities, but do not advocate their causes (such as the Sikh Coalition standing up for Muslims and Hindus, this is not benefiting us) Reap the benefits of the system, and do not fight it or challenge it for the meantime, however retain allegiance to the Sikh cause (make use of the IITs in India, and Medical Colleges, and the student scholarships that send worthy students to Ivy Leagues); I think the Parsis have been most successful in this Become role models,and in turn inspire Sikh youth, and establish an encouraging network (often times the Sikhs that do attain success, are extremely averse against helping other Sikhs - this is wrong, as we need to create a community that encourages and supports individual success such as the Jewish people) Stop riding the coattails of our ancestors, and instead create new sagas of success in the present-day Uphold the warrior spirit, but put on a thinking cap so that communal decisions can turn out to be effective ones, and not ones that are conducted in the heat of the moment, which ultimately lead to little gain and more damage Revise Judeo-Christian influenced English translations of the GGS and translate the GGS into other major languages (Arabic, Russian, Chinese, French, Spanish) and Indo-Aryan languages (Hindi, Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Marwari/Rajasthani, Bihari, Nepali) to make Sikhism more accessible and understandable for those interested Removal of caste altogether (it has no place in Sikhism, and any pride on ones caste should be absolutely condemned and derided - more Singh/Kaur surnames, zero gotras, let's get out of this tribal thinking) Although I may have repeated myself a few times, this is what I came up with at the moment. Feel free to criticize, discuss and contribute your thoughts about improving the Sikh community. Apologies in advance, if I've offended anyone.
  3. 12 points
    @singhbj singh and many others are correct that Sikhs are the ones to blame for the rise of deras. However, I think the right course of action to tackle deras and now is especially a great time to implement this, as there are tons of dera followers that will now be looking for a spiritual path, is to welcome all members back into Sikhi, by not discriminating them through their castes. We've made this mistake in the past, and still are continuing with it, however let's not drag it in to the future. These Sikhs have done a great job welcoming the ex-sirsa dera followers: Let's hope that other Gurudwaras not only in Punjab and India, but the world as well, follow suit.
  4. 12 points
    We Sikhs are #1 enemies of Sikhi today. We do more to harm our own faith than any Hindu or Musalman.
  5. 11 points
    Well said. I suspect the Sikhs in arab and middle eastern muslim countries dont really have a choice. To show their loyalty towards the ruling sheikhs and mullahs and its state religion Islam they have to be kinda meek and subservient. Bit like Stockholm syndrome so they kinda have an excuse for their behaviour. However Sikhs in india have no excuse yet some of those idiots in gurdwara commitee's have done these iftari parties aswell for their muslim neighbours...... I would like to ask these commiteee's would masjids do akhand paath for Sikh families or do gurpurb celebrations? No never... so why do some of our gurdwara committee leaders feel compelled do to anti-sikh antics.
  6. 10 points
    This dude is blatantly some fat 35 year old virgin whose never even held hands with a girl and is type who joins in with the his mummy and auntiyah doing choogliyah. He blatantly has no self esteem, probs has no friends and is a social outcase. Comes on here giving it large, when its blatant this dungar cant step into the real world. Listen bruv, instead of chasing bakra meat, go chase women LOL. Or even better allow all that and look at the beauty of Sikhi instead of chatting baquas as per usual.
  7. 10 points
  8. 9 points
    Satbachan. Will get rid of the down vote. I also believe that it is autobot thingy for all these gupt likes. Will check on that.
  9. 9 points
    Amar singh did the forum upgrade and other technical stuff to improve the forum and been doing for past 16years. He is doing gupt sewa for all this time. We are also also thinking of rebuilding the forum and make it as a more social and spiritual place for everyone. I am tweaking few areas and resetting the fake likes and will look to disable anon likes. One major bug is that auto bots are reporting posts to mods/admins in big numbers.
  10. 9 points
    An indian origin guy goes for a job interview. Interviewer : "Can you please write your name in English on this paper?" Interviewer : "Are you sure this is your name" Man : "Of course, I am sure that this is my name" Interviewer "So your name is...PRETTY RED PANTIES"? Man : "Yes sir, you told me to write my name in English, but in Punjabi my name is "SUNDAR LAL CHADHA" !!
  11. 9 points
  12. 9 points
    I didnt hear any of the Singhs of June 84 eating animals, yet they gave the GOI Army their jawab for 10 days. Where was you the meat expert or your meat eating jatha then? Your claiming your maryada of a warrior, then in that case warrior ji, go hunt sirsa wala, pianara baba, gill baba, the head of rss and the hoodrat suleh groomers down?
  13. 9 points
    Well explained!!
  14. 9 points
  15. 9 points
    I don't think you can read properly. No one said to stop reading bani. The post just made the point that an Amritdhari following nitnem rehat without following the whole martial/military philosophy/tradition that is also embedded in puratan rehat and Khalsa lifestyle is living incomplete. Essentially, they are living a sehajdhari lifestyle themselves.
  16. 9 points
    What actual good is going to come of this question? There are 25 million Sikhs across the planet, as compared to the 1 billion+ adherents of Islam, Christianity, and Hinduism, all three of which harbor malicious designs against Gursikhi, and you actually wanna reduce the number of Sikhs even further. 'Sikh' and 'Singh' were never even considered to be the same thing up until very recently. Those arguing otherwise should investigate historical accounts from the era of the Sikh confederacy/empire and base their judgement on these itihaasic facts rather than 20th century prejudices. In particular the distinction between 'Khalsa' and 'Khulasa' Sikhs. Just as Sikhs are being whitewashed out of the history of India, the contributions of Sehajdhari Sikhs are also being whitewashed out of the history of the qaum.
  17. 9 points
    QUESTION! Where are the Sikh girls? I see no Kara let alone dastaar n "Kaur" being mentioned in names.
  18. 8 points
    On Vasakhi 1699 after the first two Khalsay had stood up ... Guru Gobind Singh Ji (the sixth Khalsa) gave three more calls. Mohkam Chand, a Gujarati calico printer/tailor from DwarkaNagar, Himmat Rai, a water-bearer from Jagannath Puri in Orissa, and Sahib Shah, a barber from Bidar (south India), stood up one after another and advanced to offer their heads. ... a minority of the wider Punjabi community is Sikh ... most Punjabi's are Muslims and there are more Hindi speaking "Punjabi's" in the historic parts of pre-1966 Punjab. So we as Sikhs need to fight back against this nonsense portraying Sikhs as the equivalent of Punjabi's as they seek to limit the truth to a small part of Punjab only. Even the Muslim Jatts that killed 300,000 Sikhs in 1947 and the Hindu Jatts like Sajjan Kumar laugh at the ridiculousness of some Sikhs associating an ancestry with their name as a mark of pride given the fact that even the vast majority of Jatts are Muslim and Hindu ... So again we as Sikhs need to fight against our Panth being associated with any particular ancestry backgrounds (because that's exactly what our enemies want) So let's be clear anybody in 2012 who proclaims their ancestry background from the rooftops is not a Sikh and Punjabiyat has no relavance to Sikhi. Anybody into Bhangra please tell your favourite artists that you will not buy their records if they continue to promote alcohol + caste on behalf of a Muslim record label like Moviebox. Sikhi is falsely portrayed by the Panth's enemies and for the record let me state that i think a billion or so Hindu's are generally good people (the 800 million or so Hindu's who live in poverty I consider as Sikh in my eyes anyway ... before someone misinterprets my stab at the Panth's enemies)
  19. 8 points
    Being part of the inner circles I know which role this guy plays in the jathas. The head baba sees no wisdom in this guy because he is full of anger, has some mental illness, and can't make decisions. He's the guy they use and abuse, by filling him with hot air. Hot headed and always ready to fight with a pack of his boys. He wants to be accepted as one of the guys but they never fully involve him because they are sick and tired of his anger filled reactions to everything. Hunting was done by Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji because Dasam Bani has stated. However no reason for the hunting is given. I will leave nangs and pakhand kirtani jatha to make up their fantasies here. The strength to fight in wars comes from Gurbani. No one can attain this mental strength from hunting. The American soldiers consist of those who hunt for sport. When they go to war they come back as a total mess. Post traumatic stress disorder hits them and they are a total wreck. Nightmares, regrets, reliving haunting seems of their friends limbs blown off and dying in their arms. Its total chaos. Look up ptsd for soldiers and its a horrible state of mind to go through. Look at Sikhs who fought in the Guru's army. They stayed in chardikala because they read their Gurbani and followed it. They knew not to be scared of anything because Guru Sahib is with them. Then in history we have those who gave up. They hunted and skinned animals but they were still running from battle. Gurbani is the strength behind battle and facing battle after it is over. From Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji time to Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji time the lay of the land is totally different from now. Jungles was the main lay out. Villages were spread apart close to natural sources of water. Its not like now where we can turn on the tap and get water for cooking, drinking, and farming. Dangerous animals lived close by so did the grass eaters. There was no fences separating forest to highways or cities. There was no highways or cities as we have today. Because the lay of the land has changed, so has warfare. No army fights with swords and bow and arrows or spears. Close to the time of Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji leaving this world guns and cannons were being used. Cannons and guns have completely revolutionized now. A person can take out a whole village by sitting on the other side of the earth. Even ground troops don't have to face the enemy face to face like with a sword fight. If warfare would break out where these nihangs in urban cities live. There would be no goats to chop up. The local coffee shop, grocery stores, corner stores don't have goats hanging around to be gutted. Only thing these local nihangs would be chopping open is a box of crackers. The land lay out of Punjab is similar, farms of vegetables, villages and cities with scattered garbage. Again no goat running around to be chopped up. Just look at the war between the Indian army and Sikhs in the late 80s. It was urban warfare. The army and long with police forces train to shoot at still targers because the speed of the bullet can't be dodged. Many people watch police videos where the suspect with a knife is able to take cover and approach the cop close enough to strike the cop with the knife. This happens because cops are not trained to kill. They use firearms to stop the lethal action. In warfare its about shoot to kill with automatic rifles. Even if a semi auto is used the guy with a knife will be filled with 20 holes in the same scenario with the cop and knife. Close combat, switch to a 9mm. Fill the head with holes and move on to the next enemy. No need to be pulling swords out of guys or bashing their face in with the handle of the sword. The nihangs will never survive a warfare today with their 17th century thinking. No horse stands a chance against high powered rifles and armoured vehicles. Source of food has changed, lay of the land has changed, weapons have changed. Gurbani is the only thing that has not changed. And this is the source of all strength. So why do these nihangs keep going on about chopping goats and we need to be ready for war with swords and arrows? Because their senior members have brainwashed these younger ones. They tell them romanticized story of how they are getting ready for a big war where a warrior would come to lead them. He will have powers and they will wipe out the enemy. This fairytale only comes out because one of the youth wants to defend in the name of truth but this goes against the plan of these senior members. Most likely they calm the youth down by filling him with lies. When he doesn't, then they team up on him and kick him out. These senior members are only about increasing membership becAuse more sheep's mean more money for the top leader. Conflict only makes it difficult to increase membership and money. They have the youth lost in practices that are practically useless now.The same tactic can be applied to the missionaries. But lets stick to the nihangs. No. real war strength is gained by jhatka and neither is it a source of food in these days in reality. Let's face it nihangs will not be leaving India to fight anywhere. They are stuck fighting amongst themselves and chopping goats heads for their tongue.
  20. 8 points
    The mules are only capable of squabbling. When they have no logic to provide they get hot headed. There is a general saying Taksali aklo Khali. They get hot headed and want to shut down our voices. Then they get so hot headed the want non taksalis dead!!! What has the world become.
  21. 8 points
  22. 8 points
    A lot of amritdharis need a reality check. They use anecdotal history to justify their standoffness. Sometimes strict dharmic ideals can backfire when coupled with hankaar instead of humility. An example is a lot of youth refusing to eat from their sehajdhari parents after Amrit. We need to be more self aware and understand the complex thinking and birthis of ppl and understand that ppl learn and more eager to listen when the message applies to their pain and needs not some high horse slippery slope lectures
  23. 8 points
    For me, there is no more complex a figure in Sikh history, no greater a paradox, no other man that evokes a more diverse range of opinions emotions and feelings within the Kaum, than Maharaja Ranjit Singh. If the Kaum were to properly consider, and with balance, assess the life, successes and failures of this remarkable man, I have no doubt that this would provide great lessons that would help us manage the future. Maharaja Ranjit Singh, for the first time in history, so successfully defended Panjab from foreign invasion that he was able to take the fight against the islamic onslaught into the very regions from which the jihadis emerged. He countered and comprehensively defeated the jihadis of his time, people with the same ideology as modern day islamists, those who can reasonably be said to be the antecedents of the present day ISIS and taliban. This was no mean feat. While assessing his achievements one has to bear in mind that the overwhelming majority of the citizens of Khalsa Raj belonged to the same mindset as the Panth's enemies. Yet, he actually managed to earn their respect, admiration and loyalty, even after he defeated them, to such an extent that they welcomed him. Whether this was the result of his sense of tolerance, his political expediency, or his weakness in excessively pandering to the islamic population to the detriment of the entire region, is not definite. I suspect the answer lies somewhat in degrees of all three. Now, having said all that, it would be a matter of pure dishonesty if one did not provide balance and address the fact that in so doing, he committed the very serious transgressions against Guru Ji's hukams that would eventually consign Khalsa Raj to history. What troubles me the most about the way he went about this is that Khalsa Raj did not belong to Maharaja Ranjit Singh, nor was it his creation, nor was it for him to throw away. In this respect, the speech delivered by General Hari Singh Ji Nalwa, the greatest and most successful General of his time, in response to Maharaja Ranjit Singh's announcement that his son would succeed him, is particularly poignant and relevant. When assessing the life and achievements of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, we must never overlook the fact that Sadde das lakh Sikh fought and died in multiple genocides in order to achieve Khalsa Raj. Khalsa Raj was built on the foundation of these shaheedis of huge numbers of Sikhs over several generations for the cause of Sikhi and out of love for Guru Maharaj. It did not belong to a single family alone. But by choosing to pass on his reign to his son, Maharaja Ranjit Singh consigned the Kaum to a fate that we are still reeling from 170 years later. This nepotism was acted out in an almost nonchalantly shameless and neglectful manner. General Hari Singh Ji Nalwa was entirely correct when he said that Kharak Singh, whilst being his friend and brother, was unsuitable and incapable of shouldering the responsibility of running Khalsa Raj. Yet this advice, which merely repeated what was by then already apparent among sincere Sikhs who cared about the future of the Kaum, had little to no effect on a man that started off his life as a Gursikh in the true sense of the term, and ended it as something quite different, as a creature that sought to ape the myopic rajputs of old. Furthermore, by appointing non-Sikhs and worse still even non-Panjabis to the government, he committed the fatal mistake that made the collapse of Khalsa Raj inevitable. These outsiders had no stake whatsoever in the continuing future as a going concern of Panjab. Even a fool with no respect for Guru Ji's hukams should have been able to see what was forthcoming. Yet, the Maharaja apparently didn't. The result of his non-adherence is plain for all to see. Panjab, the sohni di chirri of our ancestors only a few lifetimes ago, was reduced to dust. The parasitic non-Sikh traitors that Maharaja Ranjit Singh passed control to leached off the Kaum in the same way that the jews profiteered off post-great war Germany. However, the Germans at least identified, opposed and later avenged this treason. We never have, and, due to deliberately planted defects in the transmission of our values to future generations, designed to protect our oppressors, we quite possibly never will. Nobody put a gun to his head and forced Maharaja Ranjit Singh to ignore, neglect, and dismiss Sikhi rehat in the brazen way he did. He did so purely of his own will. And yet, for all of that, I still possess an outstanding admiration for the man, who was at one point, one of the greatest Sikh leaders in history. He is one of the greatest paradoxes I have known. Maharaja Ranjit Singh is for me simultaneously a source of great inspiration and pride, and an object of revile and disgust. Whatever you think about Maharaja Ranjit Singh, and there is much to think about, we could do a lot worse than learn from both the positive and negative aspects of his example, of how to obtain sovereignty, and how to subsequently lose it. In conclusion, when faced with the sobering fact that we have yet to recover our stolen land, there are few better examples to look to in this respect than our own. I have faith that Guru Maharaj has greater things planned for the Kaum than we know at present. And I believe that we were given Maharaja Ranjit Singh to learn from his successes and failures for a reason.
  24. 8 points
    I might have been wrong about her husband being Amritdhari. But she still represents the best chance Sikhs might have for even just one lone isolated voice at Westminster. Jagsaw would you rather see a Pakistani MP in Edgbaston or a Sikh one?
  25. 8 points
    Just power the damned phone off at set time every night. Don't turn it on until you are in some other part of the house or room the next day. Say, you could leave it in the kitchen and don't switch it on until you having morning tea or coffee. Phones, gadgets and all the EMF is bad, bad,... bad..Having Wi-Fi and all these radio waves is never going to benefit a Sikh. I have my own theories and evidence of how gadgets, wi-fi and EMF has affected my own abyaas, but I'm not going to get in detail now. When the forum is full of stuff that is not inspiring, then just disappear for a while. Especially, if you feel it's spiritually draining, then it's time to go try raise your consciousness.


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